Pain (Part 2) 1-6-01 vegasvixen {enters} Sex_GrandMaster {enters} SNHs_tender.morsel {enters} vegasvixen annie ! SNHs_tender.morsel hi annie vegasvixen grins Sex_GrandMaster hello My little annie SGMs_annie hello my Master *s SGMs_annie hi morsel and vixen Sex_GrandMaster strolls to the front of class Sex_GrandMaster well hopefully My DSL will stay up today Sex_GrandMaster smiles vegasvixen takes a seat SNHs_tender.morsel hopes so too SGMs_annie smiles Sex_GrandMaster I think last week, we had just finished the technical explanation of pain is that right? SNHs_tender.morsel yes Sensei SGMs_annie i think so Master Sex_GrandMaster and was there discussion on the subject after I was so rudely ct off? vegasvixen nods Sex_GrandMaster cut off that is vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster yes vixen? vegasvixen i have a question about something that came up last week Sensei vegasvixen how the Dominate derives pleasure from a nonsexual scene ? Sex_GrandMaster ok vixen was that in class or in the discussion? vegasvixen in the class sapphire mentioned a scene with GE where she felt guilty vegasvixen You mentioned it , but didn't get a chance to address it Sensei Sex_GrandMaster ahhh yes I remember Sex_GrandMaster smiles lostsoul {enters} Sex_GrandMaster I will cover that later in the class, but rest assured We can and do lostsoul peeks in vegasvixen smiles Sex_GrandMaster hello ls have a seat lostsoul thank you Sir SGM lostsoul finds a seat and sits down Sex_GrandMaster I will allow a few more minutes before starting in case others make it in *S* lostsoul . o O ( first time i get the puter to come to class ) Sex_GrandMaster can anyone fill Me in on what was discussed after I was cut off? vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster annie fill ls in on the rules of class by PM please Sex_GrandMaster yes vixen vegasvixen we each talked about what motivated our first experiences vegasvixen then we talked about subspace vegasvixen then we digressed Sensei Sex_GrandMaster and did that result in any insight into the question the subject the class was about? Sex_GrandMaster erases some of that so it makes sense SNHs_tender.morsel raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster yes morsel? SNHs_tender.morsel i had mentioned Sensei for me it's not so much the pain but the act of submitting to Him to allow it that i seem to crave SNHs_tender.morsel thinks she said that badly Sex_GrandMaster I think I understand it morsel Sex_GrandMaster ok any other input from last week? SNHs_tender.morsel no Sensei SGMs_annie doesn't have any Sex_GrandMaster ok I'll start the class then Sex_GrandMaster smiles SNHs_tender.morsel listens SGMs_annie smiles and listens too Sex_GrandMaster to recap last week pain is a response of nerve endings to stimulation resulting in a signal to the brain that an area of the body may be in danger of harm Sex_GrandMaster several things can stimulate the nerve endings, heat , cold, tissue damage Sex_GrandMaster pressure Sex_GrandMaster these stimuli can be anything from very light to severe and the body responds according to the way it perceives the stimulant Sex_GrandMaster the more severe the more the immediate reaction Sex_GrandMaster now the question was "why do submissives seek pain" SGMs_annie listens Sex_GrandMaster the answer to that is as varied as the personalities of the submissives Sex_GrandMaster at least as far as the first session in receiving pain Sex_GrandMaster smiles vegasvixen smiles whispersincuffs {enters} whispersincuffs may i enter? Sex_GrandMaster hello whisper come in and have a seat Sex_GrandMaster and feel free to call Me SGM whisper, except in class of course *S* Sex_GrandMaster Now the first experience in receiving pain by a Dominant can either lead you to a path of seeking more or backing away from BDSM entirely Sex_GrandMaster or you might wind up somewhere between GEs_sapphire {enters} vegasvixen smiles to sapphire Sex_GrandMaster this all depends on the experience level of the Dominant Sex_GrandMaster hello sapphire enter and have a seat GEs_sapphire quietly tiptoes into the room GEs_sapphire smiles politely to Sensei GEs_sapphire takes a seat next to vixen...gives her arm a pinch lovingly Sex_GrandMaster the Dominants quest is to take you from something that feels like pain and show you how to relate that to pleasure GEs_sapphire listening to Sensei with interest Sex_GrandMaster you learn by Their ministrations to associate the sensation of pain with ultimate pleasure, this is logically what you were seeking to begin with Sex_GrandMaster the reasons you were or are seeking it can be logical or totally illogical GEs_sapphire giggles at Sensei accurate descriptions Sex_GrandMaster most of the reasons however tend to stem around the personality structure of deriving pleasure from making other happy GEs_sapphire shaking her head in agreement GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster and a very healthy dose of kinkiness in your sexual desires Sex_GrandMaster chuckles Sex_GrandMaster blinks Sex_GrandMaster chuckles Sex_GrandMaster yes sapphire? GEs_sapphire Sensei.....what does the Dominant receive from our ability to enjoy pain....at Their hand? SGMs_annie grins vegasvixen winks@annie GEs_sapphire winks at annie too......as she listens Sex_GrandMaster smiles at sapphire Sex_GrandMaster I haven't forgotten that question and I will get to it shortly here sapphire GEs_sapphire nods....thank You Sensei Sex_GrandMaster now are there any comments or questions on what has been said so far? SGMs_annie doesn't have any vegasvixen raises her hand SNHs_tender.morsel none here Sensei Sex_GrandMaster yes vixen? vegasvixen is it selfish to enjoy being the "subject " sometimes ? vs. deriving pleasure from pleasing another ? SGMs_annie . o O ( good one vixen *s* ) Sex_GrandMaster I think the answer to that will come up shortly vixen *S* vegasvixen yes Sensei Sex_GrandMaster it is actually a part of sapphires question vegasvixen listens GEs_sapphire grins at vixen and annie Sex_GrandMaster ok the process has been defined and a basic start position of the pain recipient, from there each grows at their own pace Sex_GrandMaster keep in mind the broad range of BDSM, it goes from slap and tickle to hard Sadism and masochism GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster Sadists are those that like to inflict pain in one way or another slap or more serious Sex_GrandMaster and masochists are those that like to receive this attention, each has T/their own degree to which this goes Sex_GrandMaster yes sapphire? GEs_sapphire why is it Sensei that some prefer the slap and tickle while others, like this pain slut prefer more intensity in her quest for pain aka excitement? Sex_GrandMaster in My opinion it has to do with two things GEs_sapphire listening closely Sex_GrandMaster 1. your own personal threshold of pain Sex_GrandMaster 2. the skill that the Dominants in your experience have brought you up the levels of intensity vegasvixen smiles GEs_sapphire nods in understanding Sex_GrandMaster No one starts out enjoying extreme pain Sex_GrandMaster smiles GEs_sapphire agrees Sex_GrandMaster in fact each scene starts out light and builds in intensity LadyAndrea {enters} LAs_brat {enters} LadyAndrea {leaves} LAs_brat {leaves} Sex_GrandMaster and in the hands of a skilled Dominant that level of desire for pain will continue to elevate GEs_sapphire smiles softly to brat and Lady Andrea Ma'am GEs_sapphire her eyes widen.....as she listens Sex_GrandMaster now there is a danger in this scenario, and that is that the level of desire reaches a point of risk to health GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster yes sapphire GEs_sapphire in my case Sensei....that is the point at which GE Madam's expertise takes over....and my trust that Ma'am knows my body language....because when i reach that point...i am no longer "feeling" pain...and Ma'am has to be the one who decides how much is enough GEs_sapphire (Line Too Long!) GEs_sapphire grrrrr... Sex_GrandMaster smiles GEs_sapphire in my case...it is at that point that GE Ma'am's expertise takes over...only Ma'am can tell my body language to know when enough is enough Sex_GrandMaster nods lostsoul {enters} Sex_GrandMaster wb ls GEs_sapphire i am unable to distinguish any longer...there is no pain.....i shut out everything..except Ma'am lostsoul thank you Sensei vegasvixen smiles to ls lostsoul smiles back Sex_GrandMaster that is the point of entering subspace usually sapphire GEs_sapphire beaming smile...... GEs_sapphire but.....oops....raises hand SNHs_tender.morsel has never been there Sex_GrandMaster however getting you to that point continuously elevates over time Sex_GrandMaster yes sapphire? GEs_sapphire what does GE Ma'am receive from the scene?...how is it pleasurable to my Dominant? vegasvixen smiles Sex_GrandMaster I'm getting there sapphire be patient GEs_sapphire giggles.....yes Sensei.....blushes vegasvixen is anxious for that part too GEs_sapphire giggling at vixen.... SNHs_tender.morsel is too Sex_GrandMaster I always caution Dominants about this continued elevation point as it can reach a point of danger to the submissive GEs_sapphire waves to morsel Sex_GrandMaster in order to prevent this it is best to vary the toys and stimulation that is used in sceneing so the levels for each increase slowly Sex_GrandMaster or to switch to something else entirely when something is getting too close to the danger point Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster now what does the Dominant get from all of this? GEs_sapphire ah....now knows why GE Ma'am switches from a paddle....to a flogger....to a feather.... vegasvixen shushes sapphire and leans forward intently Sex_GrandMaster first off a Dominant is basically into control or inflicting pain GEs_sapphire rubs her hands together.....listening..... Sex_GrandMaster or varied combinations of each Sex_GrandMaster there is also another aspect and that is pleasure Sex_GrandMaster but W/we need to define pleasure here Sex_GrandMaster smiles SGMs_annie listens Sex_GrandMaster can W/we agree that pleasure is not strictly related to sex or having an orgasm? vegasvixen nods lostsoul nods GEs_sapphire nods in agreement Sex_GrandMaster looks around the class SNHs_tender.morsel nods Sex_GrandMaster in fact many times you as a sub may be denied an orgasm Sex_GrandMaster so sceneing doesn't always have to end in sexual pleasure via a release Sex_GrandMaster true? SGMs_annie nods in agreement Sex_GrandMaster looks around SNHs_tender.morsel yes Sensei GEs_sapphire nods in agreement lostsoul nods vegasvixen yes Sensei Sex_GrandMaster however many Dominants have been known to orgasm during a scene without direct stimuli Sex_GrandMaster as many subs have also vegasvixen has heard of this GEs_sapphire eyes widen..... lostsoul raises my hand Sex_GrandMaster this is usually in response to the submissives reactions to what the Dominant is doing to them GEs_sapphire turns and looks at lostsoul Sex_GrandMaster yes ls? lostsoul never mind Sensei You just answered it GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster sapphire? GEs_sapphire so moaning is good i guess.....lol.....i used to be embarrassed at the sounds coming from this one during an intense scene Sex_GrandMaster chuckles GEs_sapphire blushes SGMs_annie giggles vegasvixen is extremely loud *blush* SNHs_tender.morsel is terribly quiet Sex_GrandMaster yes moaning is good .... your Dominant needs to know where you are at, never hide or fake a response to something Sex_GrandMaster We go by reactions in order to learn your body and what stimulates it the most Sex_GrandMaster now you asked what pleasure We derive without being serviced during a scene GEs_sapphire perks.....yes Sensei Sex_GrandMaster We get pleasure from creating the responses from your body that We desire to see lostsoul raises my hand GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster the more We can create a response the way We want the more pleasure We can get Sex_GrandMaster yes ls lostsoul so the pleasure They get is like when you finally finish a long term project and seeing the end result right? or close it? Sex_GrandMaster it can be related to that loosely, however I haven't heard of a project causing an orgasm *S* Sex_GrandMaster sapphire? lostsoul giggles depends on the project GEs_sapphire is it the control of those responses...that creates pleasure for a Dominant....or is it the response to what Their hand is doing physically? Sex_GrandMaster it is more the control of those responses, however there isn't a definite line there GEs_sapphire possibly both Sensei? SNHs_tender.morsel sighs Sex_GrandMaster both are involved to a large degree yes sapphire GEs_sapphire nods....and smiles....thank You Sensei Sex_GrandMaster as well as sight and sound stimuli Sex_GrandMaster there is also the physical effort involved for some as it stirs up the endorphins GEs_sapphire mmmmm.....loves endorphins.....lol GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster ok any questions so far? Sex_GrandMaster sapphire? GEs_sapphire why is then Sensei Sir....that the word NOW....makes me jump?....it makes me squirm....i'm sorry this is unrelated... vegasvixen LOL Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster I assume you mean in certain situations sapphire GEs_sapphire usually with a certain displeased tone to Ma'am's voice....yes Sensei Sex_GrandMaster nods vegasvixen . o O ( conditioning? ) Sex_GrandMaster I can only make suggestions on this sapphire, but most likely it is because you know you have done something to displease Her or haven't done something and it displeases Her GEs_sapphire lol.....maybe just the power exchange....which can be both good and bad Sex_GrandMaster and as a rule a sub doesn't want to displease their Dom/me vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster vixen? SNHs_tender.morsel sits quietly watching vegasvixen once early on in my first D/s relationship someone lied about me to my Dom and He came and asked if i had anything to tell Him GEs_sapphire listens closely vegasvixen from that time on any time He said those words i panicked vegasvixen even though He had put the incident from His mind GEs_sapphire whispers to vixen......i always beat them to is sis.....i would rush to Ma'am and tell Her what i did..every time....hehe Sex_GrandMaster nods to vixen GEs_sapphire places a large piece of duct tape across her big mouth.....lol Sex_GrandMaster there is a certain amount of conditioning and conditioned responses involved in the D/s relationship vegasvixen . o O ( she beat me to that ) GEs_sapphire hehe Sex_GrandMaster sometimes created intentionally by the Dom/;me and sometimes not Sex_GrandMaster any comments or questions? SNHs_tender.morsel raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster morsel? SNHs_tender.morsel Sensei during any type of scene i almost immediately become silent SNHs_tender.morsel or close to it SNHs_tender.morsel i know the sounds and responses He wishes to see or hear and i can think them Sex_GrandMaster is that natural or an effort on your part? SNHs_tender.morsel but my mouth will not utter them SNHs_tender.morsel i'm not sure Sensei more like i can't not do it vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster vixen? vegasvixen may a girl make a suggestion ? SNHs_tender.morsel i want to it just won't come out Sex_GrandMaster please do vixen SNHs_tender.morsel needs help Sex_GrandMaster vixen even vegasvixen morsel > if you have not done so you could try being gagged ...which gives you freedom to scream (as a starting point) GEs_sapphire smiling.....good idea SNHs_tender.morsel thinks about that vegasvixen also your Sire could call you on the telephone Sex_GrandMaster vixen T/they are RL 24/7 SNHs_tender.morsel how is He going to call me if He is here sceneing with me vegasvixen He could call you sometime and scene with you on the phone SNHs_tender.morsel aahh SNHs_tender.morsel i was lost for a minute vegasvixen laughs vegasvixen have phone sex ..like P/people who don't get to live together do sometimes Sex_GrandMaster chuckles vegasvixen one last suggestion GEs_sapphire starts wishing for a party line....lol vegasvixen earphones with music so you cant really hear yourself SNHs_tender.morsel listens SNHs_tender.morsel that could help Sex_GrandMaster morsel is it perhaps that you are afraid the kids will hear? SNHs_tender.morsel no Sir SNHs_tender.morsel it my own fear of embarrassment at what i may say or do SNHs_tender.morsel and i meant Sensei SNHs_tender.morsel it happens even during normal sex Sex_GrandMaster ahhhhhh well in that case, just remember that He needs to know what you are feeling and thinking GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster good or bad, the response should be shown Sex_GrandMaster yes sapphire? SNHs_tender.morsel sighs and slinks back in her seat GEs_sapphire morsel.....some times a sub....needs to "feel" forced.....to allow her self to be set free....free to say or do anything....moaning...writhing....any outward signs of enjoyment vegasvixen nodsnodsnods SNHs_tender.morsel He would have to force me and i don't know even then i've tried my teeth clench like they are now and that's it nothing else will come Sex_GrandMaster nods Sex_GrandMaster how about answering questions or body movements morsel? SNHs_tender.morsel body movements are fine Sensei that's how i have communicated things like this for the past 16 years vegasvixen raises her hand SNHs_tender.morsel it seems to be only with verbalization Sex_GrandMaster if He asks something do you answer? SNHs_tender.morsel most of the time Sensei SNHs_tender.morsel there have been times i could not answer the question Sex_GrandMaster then I think I need to coach Him on some questions LOL SNHs_tender.morsel . o O ( uh oh ) Sex_GrandMaster yes vixen? vegasvixen morsel > do you use safe words? SNHs_tender.morsel never needed one yet vixen SNHs_tender.morsel i have them Sex_GrandMaster but have you set them up in case morsel? SNHs_tender.morsel yes Sensei Sex_GrandMaster nods and smiles vegasvixen is curious if it as difficult for you to verbalize no vegasvixen would you use it ? SNHs_tender.morsel even now i am hot and sweaty and trebly just talking about this SNHs_tender.morsel if in too much pain yes vixen SNHs_tender.morsel otherwise i don't know Sex_GrandMaster morsel you said this has been the practice for 16 years .. what about before that? SNHs_tender.morsel that's as long as i have been with Him Sensei Sex_GrandMaster ok and what about any experiences before that? SNHs_tender.morsel no one else ever got me excited enough to say anything Sensei lol Sex_GrandMaster chuckles vegasvixen puts her hand over her mouth giggling SNHs_tender.morsel never even had an orgasm till Him SGMs_annie raises my hand GEs_sapphire giggles Sex_GrandMaster well I think it's a conditioned response that you need to work on Sex_GrandMaster yes annie? SNHs_tender.morsel i agree Sensei just don't know how to get past this wall SGMs_annie maybe you don't know what to say morsel, maybe watching some flicks and seeing what other woman say and it is alright to say things...just an idea but i like the headphone idea SGMs_annie . o O ( wow that was close almost a line to long ) Sex_GrandMaster LOL SNHs_tender.morsel thanx annie Sex_GrandMaster have Y/you ever watched a porn together morsel? SNHs_tender.morsel actually wall was an inaccurate description SNHs_tender.morsel cage is more accurate SNHs_tender.morsel yes Sensei vegasvixen is full of suggestions Sex_GrandMaster well a cage has a door you can walk out of morsel, and you can always reach between the bars *S* Sex_GrandMaster just take it a little at a time morsel, it will happen SNHs_tender.morsel . o O ( this one must be locked ) Sex_GrandMaster picture it unlocked and open in your mind morsel SNHs_tender.morsel He once asked me to read to Him an erotic story i had written depicting a fantasy i had He had already read it but in an effort to open me up wanted me to read it to Him Sex_GrandMaster maybe start by vocalizing your pleasure during an orgasm when the desire to make a noise is at the maximum vegasvixen listens SNHs_tender.morsel i can do that some Sensei Sex_GrandMaster nods GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster then just let it expand naturally from there Sex_GrandMaster yes sapphire? GEs_sapphire maybe its all in your perspective....GE Ma'am has always made it clear to me that i am to be a lady...at all times....in public....but Sex_GrandMaster chuckles GEs_sapphire i am Her slut...and Hers only...those words release me.....free me.....to react honestly and openly.... Sex_GrandMaster nods lostsoul {leaves} vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster vixen? vegasvixen i would like to suggest too ..begging in the way of a gorean slave girl SNHs_tender.morsel what! Sex_GrandMaster ok before you do vixen I want to get back to the class GEs_sapphire LMAO at morsels response.....had no problem voicing that sis SNHs_sweet.lilone {enters} GEs_sapphire smiles to lilone Sex_GrandMaster sapphire was your question answered? Sex_GrandMaster hello lilone SNHs_sweet.lilone smiles to sapphire GEs_sapphire Sensei....yes....thank You Sir SNHs_sweet.lilone Hello Sir vegasvixen smiles to lilone SNHs_sweet.lilone smiles to vixen Sex_GrandMaster and vixen? vegasvixen yes Sensei ? Sex_GrandMaster was your question answered? SNHs_sweet.lilone grabs a seat SNHs_tender.morsel is speechless again vegasvixen thinks about it SNHs_sweet.lilone smiles to her sis vegasvixen yes Sensei Sex_GrandMaster nods GEs_sapphire watches the smoke coming from vixens ear Sex_GrandMaster ok class is over you may continue to discuss anything you like now SNHs_tender.morsel smiles back SGMs_annie thank You for the class Master SNHs_tender.morsel is terrified of the word beg vegasvixen Thank You for an interesting class Sensei Sex_GrandMaster you're all welcome GEs_sapphire thank You Sensei Sir...i cherish these classes Sir SNHs_sweet.lilone pouts cuz she missed class Sex_GrandMaster smiles vegasvixen morsel > a gorean girl doesn't say i or me sis GEs_sapphire vixen? Sex_GrandMaster Nest well the class is on serving, and the types of serves SNHs_tender.morsel oh i need that class too GEs_sapphire looks at her schedule....to see if she has to work Sex_GrandMaster Next week rather SNHs_tender.morsel i know vixen they use third person SNHs_tender.morsel she her vegasvixen you could choose a phrase such as :may morsel serve you wine Master ? vegasvixen and work your way up to : may morsel censored SNHs_tender.morsel lol SNHs_tender.morsel did wake the baby one time Sex_GrandMaster LOL vixen SGMs_annie looks at the red censored and laughs! vegasvixen yes sapphire ? SNHs_sweet.lilone giggles SNHs_tender.morsel but back to that story i just sat there at His feet hot and trembling silent till i just dropped the journal and cried cause i just couldn't do it SNHs_sweet.lilone would too since she missed class GEs_sapphire morsel.....we all have things we need to work on....GE Ma'am insists on me keeping a journal.....something i have been extremely remiss in doing.... SNHs_tender.morsel i have one too that's what i wrote the story in SGMs_annie don't copy that part vixen *grins at sapphire* GEs_sapphire i have a tough time....writing my thoughts....i always feel safer...keeping them to myself... GEs_sapphire hehe SNHs_tender.morsel now i am afraid He will ask me to read something from it again so i haven't written anything else SGMs_annie you tell Her sapphire *g* better than Her reading it GEs_sapphire annie....there are things....best left buried.... Sex_GrandMaster smiles SGMs_annie i don't buy that one sapphire *g* SNHs_tender.morsel i did finally stutter and stammer through the story GEs_sapphire oops....SGM Sir...Your still here?....*blushes* SNHs_tender.morsel but i was a wreck the whole time Sex_GrandMaster but you did it morsel SNHs_tender.morsel the next day Sir SNHs_tender.morsel yes GEs_sapphire annie.....really?....well...the deepest darkest things....will remain uncovered....it's a defense mechanism.....and yes....i trust GE Ma'am will my very being....always will.... vegasvixen ok its sent vegasvixen if you don't get it let me know SGMs_annie thank you vixen SNHs_sweet.lilone thank you vixen vegasvixen bye SGM Sir *soft kiss on the cheek* vegasvixen bye ladies *hugz*