Open Discussion 01-25-2003


 sex_grandmaster-d  I'm not sure that any of these qualify for a full class 
topic, but how about if I make today's class a discussion forum and W/we'll just 
cover as many questions or situations as W/we can?
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles
 kws_dakota  great idea Sensei.
 imsun  *smiles*
 -scarlet-  nods n nods
 imsun  thank You Sir
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( oh yes, Sensei, that's right )
 kws_dakota  . o O ( kinda like pot luck dinners )
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( it's so exciting to be in my first class )
 sex_grandmaster-d  I'm sure as W/we go along there will be more questions and 
topics that come to mind
 imsun  me to nimbue
 cps_nimbue  smiles to imsun
 sex_grandmaster-d  now to continue on your question dakota
 imsun  might make for other class ideas.
 francescas_dragonwarrior {enters}
 imsun  wb dw
 cps_nimbue  wb dw
 kws_dakota  listens
 francescas_dragonwarrior  takes a seat again
 sex_grandmaster-d  if you are unable to get your point across or clarified with 
your Master, then it is appropriate for you to go to Someone that you trust in 
the form of a Protector to help you with ideas or to talk to your Master if that 
becomes necessary
 kws_dakota  raises my hand....
 sex_grandmaster-d  by the way since there are two new students today, why don't 
you list the class rules morsel  *S*
 kws_dakota  waits
 cps_nimbue  was hoping for some class rules, thank You
 imsun  thank You Sir
 snhs_tender.morsel  yes Sensei
 francescas_dragonwarrior  listens
 snhs_tender.morsel  sorry i was dealing with kids
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods to morsel
 snhs_tender.morsel  don't ask to enter or leave     just do so quietly if you 
need to
 sex_grandmaster-d  dw can do it if you have to take care of RL stuff morsel  
*S*
 snhs_tender.morsel  icq or other message programs off  or on away
 snhs_tender.morsel  Teacher is addressed as Sensei  unless it is your M/M
 snhs_tender.morsel  no pm's      one to your M/M if needed to let Them know you 
are in class
 snhs_tender.morsel  no greeting during class
 sex_grandmaster-d  . o O ( Including Dom/mes )
 snhs_tender.morsel  raise your hand to answer a question or make a comment and 
wait to be called on
 snhs_tender.morsel  is that all Sensei?
 sex_grandmaster-d  that's about it morsel thank you  *S*
 sex_grandmaster-d  dakota is your question a continuation or your original?
 snhs_tender.morsel  Your welcome Sensei
 francescas_dragonwarrior  smiles to morsel
 kws_dakota  kinda continuation is that ok, Sensei?
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes it is dakota, go ahead
 kws_dakota  thank You Sensei.  now i do know what You stressed before about 
keeping a Protector... however, does not that mean having to go to them 
something of  trust issue or problem, if you have to go to them to speak to ones 
M/M.... i mean... if ones M/M just isn't getting it..but it comes from Someone 
else.
 kws_dakota  frowns isn't sure i said that right.
 sex_grandmaster-d  No actually a Protector should also be taking the role of 
helping you to smooth out your path to submission and your interface with your 
Dom/me
 kws_dakota  having Someone else say hey.... this is what Your sub/slave means.. 
isn't that like an insult to both of Y/you?
 kws_dakota  nods to You
 sex_grandmaster-d  not necessarily to go to them and make the point but help 
you find a way to express it so They do get it
 imsun  *raises my hand*
 kws_dakota  understands.... Thank You Sensei.
 sex_grandmaster-d  in other words sometimes it has to be said in different ways 
for it to be understood
 kws_dakota  nods
 sex_grandmaster-d  sun?
 imsun  Thank You Sensei am i to understand that it is best to have a Protector 
with a M/M?
 sex_grandmaster-d  I recommend it at least at the beginning, then it solely 
depends on your comfort level  *S*  a Protector is also a trusted Friend and 
Confidant
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( i had about 8 protectors when i first started looking for a 
Master.....lol )
 sex_grandmaster-d  alright any further questions or comments on this subject?
 cps_nimbue  capitalizes that P
 imsun  goodness Sensei i guess i do have a lot more to learn. Thank You and i 
will keep this in mind.
 clytemnestra  . o O ( ponders..knows nothing about Protectors )
 -scarlet-  raises my hand
 sex_grandmaster-d  There is an article on Protectors in the Hall Library non-
fiction side clyte  *S*
 sex_grandmaster-d  scarlet?
 clytemnestra  raises his hand
 -scarlet-  are Protector's always Dom/mes?  and do They help one find a M/M?  
(doesn't know much either clyte)
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes they are Dom/mes  *S*  how do you expect a submissive to 
step in and confront a Dom/me that you are having a problem with?
 -scarlet-  . o O ( a very smart submissive??? )
 sex_grandmaster-d  They may also guide you to finding the right Dom/me
 -scarlet-  another sub could help re-word something though, Sensei ....  maybe?
 sex_grandmaster-d  it isn't about being smart it is about being a Peer to the 
Dom/me scarlet
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes a sub could guide you there scarlet  *S*
 -scarlet-  nods, sorry Sir, was just trying to add a bit of "sarcastic" humor 
there Sensei
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  clyte?
 clytemnestra  You mentioned such an article before, Sensei.....however, when i 
checked, it indicated that the article hadn't yet been filed
 snhs_tender.morsel  raises her hand
 sex_grandmaster-d  you may be right on that clyte, I will check on it later 
thank you  *S*
 sex_grandmaster-d  morsel?
 clytemnestra  i checked again quite recently as well
 snhs_tender.morsel  i have a recent example Sensei that may help clarify
 clytemnestra  Thank You, Sensei
 francescas_dragonwarrior  listens
 cps_nimbue  listens too
 sex_grandmaster-d  go ahead morsel  *S*
 snhs_tender.morsel  Sire and i were having a problem   i had indicated a need  
and when He responded to that need   He added something i reacted to in a bad 
way     and in turn caused problems between U/us
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods and listens
 snhs_tender.morsel  having a Dom/me to turn to    helped me figure out why i 
reacted the way i did  and what He could do in the future to keep that from 
happening again
 snhs_tender.morsel  there was no confronting done   just mediating and helping 
B/both sides understand in a better setting
 sex_grandmaster-d  In other words this Dom/me helped put things into 
perspective
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles
 snhs_tender.morsel  it ended well   eventually     but without that    would 
have ended very badly
 snhs_tender.morsel  yes Sensei  She did   *smiles*
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods
 sex_grandmaster-d  alright anything further on this subject?
 sex_grandmaster-d  looks around at the class
 snhs_tender.morsel  also helped me find how i could diffuse it in a good way if 
it did happen again
 snhs_tender.morsel  shakes her head no
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  Questions?  comments?
 imsun  none here Sensei
 sex_grandmaster-d  alright moving on to nimbues topic
 cps_nimbue  smiles
 snhs_tender.morsel  listens
 imsun  listens also
 sex_grandmaster-d  can a sub initiate role-play and how to go about it
 francescas_dragonwarrior  listens
 cps_nimbue  listens
 snhs_tender.morsel  leans forward and listens closely
 kws_dakota  listens
 sex_grandmaster-d  certainly a sub can indicate a certain role-play situation 
they think would be desirable
 sex_grandmaster-d  initiating the actual play of course is at the Dom/mes 
discretion, however I don't know of many Dom/mes that wouldn't take action at 
some point on an interest of the sub
 cps_nimbue  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  with the exception of it being on the hard limits list of 
the Dom/me
 cps_nimbue  nods
 sex_grandmaster-d  I recommend that during conversations the sub make it known 
to the Dom/me that this particular area or scene is of interest or a fantasy
 francescas_dragonwarrior  nods as i listen
 sex_grandmaster-d  if it's a complicated role play scene then discuss certain 
ideas and parameters
 cps_nimbue  nods
 sex_grandmaster-d  if you have a certain concept of the conclusion then this 
can be brought up at the same time
 sex_grandmaster-d  in other words a little fantasizing together with your 
Dom/me about what a scene might be
 sex_grandmaster-d  now how do you bring it up?
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles
 cps_nimbue  smiles and nods
 sex_grandmaster-d  any ideas on this?
 sex_grandmaster-d  looks around
 kws_dakota  raises my hand
 sex_grandmaster-d  dakota?
 kws_dakota  right before He/She says now little one W/we have to talk.  
*grins*. no seriously Sensei.. sometimes don't' say a thing but maybe a small 
action. on our part. *blushes knows cause i did this*
 cps_nimbue  raises hand
 cps_nimbue  hand even
 kws_dakota  of course Sensei that was before i blurted out how much i missed 
Him
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes that can work for certain scenes, but how about a 
complicated scene like a forced rape scene or perhaps abduction?
 kws_dakota  blushes and smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  nimbue?
 cps_nimbue  thank You, Sensei... i just wanted to ask dakota what she meant by 
a "small action" ?
 francescas_dragonwarrior  raises my hand
 sex_grandmaster-d  looks to dakota
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes care to share that action with the class dakota?
 sex_grandmaster-d  chuckles
 kws_dakota  gasps!
 cps_nimbue  laughs
 kws_dakota  blushes and puts up my notebook!
 -scarlet-  smiles at dakota
 cps_nimbue  i did not mean to embarrass you sis *s*
 kws_dakota  . o O ( oh ggeez Sensei... )
 kws_dakota  smiles at nimbue. it's ok
 kws_dakota  well...i will share sis.
 kws_dakota  is still blushing
 sex_grandmaster-d  LOL  perhaps after class you can share it with nimbue 
privately then
 cps_nimbue {unwanted language} smiles <blue> that would be fine
 cps_nimbue  smiles  [1;34m that would be fine
 kws_dakota  blushes.. well its to late now.... well... Master has been teaching 
me position in Gorean.... and well i learned Suka.
 kws_dakota  . o O ( i think that is the position.... )
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( Suka? )
 sex_grandmaster-d  listens
 kws_dakota  nods.
 francescas_dragonwarrior  listens
 cps_nimbue  listens
 kws_dakota  i believe the name for it is Suka.  i'll look it up to make sure...
 kws_dakota  it's very hmmm well when a slave is told Suka by their Master.... 
they are to get into a pleasing position... as they are to lay on their back.. 
head to the left...and arch their bottom up...thighs wide for His pleasure and 
use.
 kws_dakota  blushing beet red.
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( sounds lovely )
 kws_dakota  i'll check to make sure i got the position.
 sex_grandmaster-d  and?
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( what is the connection between this position and initiating 
a role-play? )
 kws_dakota  and well.... i learned that position on my own... to show Master 
and well i blurted out how much i missed Him and well.... the rest is . hmmmm 
lovely history
 cps_nimbue  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  chuckles
 sex_grandmaster-d  dw?
 kws_dakota  well it is an initiating role-play. nimbue.. as you are hm..... 
well.... ready and wanting Him to well....
 kws_dakota  goes back behind my notebook....blushing.
 cps_nimbue  oh
 kws_dakota  . o O ( i'll check on the positions for you nimbue and anyone else 
if so wanting. if that is ok )
 francescas_dragonwarrior  isn't the best way to start indicating any desires 
via the likes and dislikes questionnaire Master, for the life of me i can't 
think of the actual name of it
 cps_nimbue  maybe my definition of role-play is a bit different, though what 
you are speaking of sounds wonderful sis *s*
 cps_nimbue  raises my hand
 sex_grandmaster-d  you mean the limits list dw, however I think nimbue means a 
particular fantasy role-play incorporating some or many of the activities on the 
list
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes nimbue?
 cps_nimbue  Sensei, can You define role-play please?
 imsun  *listens closely*
 sex_grandmaster-d  technically role-play is acting out a fantasy in which both 
parties take on  a fictional persona, such as Teacher and bad student or maid 
and Master
 cps_nimbue  nods and listens
 sex_grandmaster-d  or perhaps Hell's angel and moll
 francescas_dragonwarrior  listens
 cps_nimbue  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  the gamut of possibilities is really endless and only 
limited by the imagination of T/those involved
 cps_nimbue  Thank You Sensei
 sex_grandmaster-d  for another example Gor is essentially a Role-play activity
 imsun  *raises her hand*
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( i see )
 sex_grandmaster-d  the Dom/mes take on the Persona of Free People in the Gor 
novels and the subs take on the slave persona
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes sun?
 cps_nimbue  nods
 imsun  thank You Sensei Sir does the Hall have such a list that has been spoken 
of here?
 sex_grandmaster-d  I assume you mean the limits list?
 imsun  *soft smile * yes Sensei that limits list.
 imsun  limits even
 sex_grandmaster-d  it is available on many sites on the net, annie has it on 
her homepage, I  also believe it is available at cuffs.com
 imsun  *smiles* thank You Sensei i will look for it.
 francescas_dragonwarrior  . o O ( i think it is also at castlerealm? )
 sex_grandmaster-d  sometimes it is referred to as a BDSM worklist
 imsun  *smiles and nods*
 sex_grandmaster-d  I'm sure it is dw, I can also send it to you via ICQ or 
email if you would like sun
 imsun  thank You Sir
 sex_grandmaster-d  send Me an email and I will send it to you  *S*
 imsun  Sensei  Sir that would be very nice Thank You for offering to.
 imsun  thru the site Sir?
 sex_grandmaster-d  alright comments or questions on this topic?
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes sun SGM@greathallofbdsm.com
 cps_nimbue  no, thank You Sensei
 imsun  thank You Sir.
 imsun  this one will
 sex_grandmaster-d  I might also mention that pictures or stories are a great 
way to open the door to suggesting certain kinds of role-play
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( great suggestion Sensei] )
 imsun  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  as well as comments about scenes if you are at a live 
function watching a scene
 sex_grandmaster-d  pointing out costumes like a buccaneer outfit, or a maids 
uniform are also good ways to start the conversation
 imsun  VBS here
 cps_nimbue  smiles and nods
 sex_grandmaster-d  making a comment about an interesting toy or how some common 
household item could be used is another possibility
 snhs_tender.morsel  hides all the rubber spatulas
 cps_nimbue  mmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm *s*
 sex_grandmaster-d  chuckles
 imsun  *snickers*
 cps_nimbue  giggled
 snhs_tender.morsel  . o O ( those things sting )
 cps_nimbue  giggles, even...lol
 sex_grandmaster-d  . o O ( I find the wire stirring whips quite interesting )
 snhs_tender.morsel  hides those too
 cps_nimbue  raises her eyebrows with glee
 clytemnestra  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  so you see almost anything that is around can be used to 
begin the discussion on role-playing and what you find enticing
 cps_nimbue  yes, Sensei... this has been very helpful and inspiring.... thank 
You *S*
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles to nimbue
 cps_nimbue  smiles
 imsun  agrees
 snhs_tender.morsel  . o O ( He hasn't thought about the wooden spoons yet  lol 
)
 sex_grandmaster-d  Imagination and fantasy are the keys here, don't be afraid 
to talk about your fantasies or what turns you on, the Dom/me will usually 
develop some ideas from the comments
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  I wouldn't bet on that morsel   LOL
 cps_nimbue  nods and smiles
 cps_nimbue  laughs
 snhs_tender.morsel  well if He has He has never let on Sensei    or used one    
luckily
 sex_grandmaster-d  alright anything else on this subject?
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( i know He would develop some ideas i could never think of )
 kws_dakota  . o O ( even innocent comments He can come up with. )
 snhs_tender.morsel  none here Sensei
 sex_grandmaster-d  . o O ( is there such a thing as an innocent comment? )
 cps_nimbue  none here either Sensei, thank You again
 cps_nimbue  lmao
 imsun  none here either Sensei
 kws_dakota  . o O ( yes there is! )
 sex_grandmaster-d  you're welcome nimbue
 cps_nimbue  . o O ( of course there is! )
 cps_nimbue  smiles to You
 sex_grandmaster-d  alright then what is the next topic or question?
 sex_grandmaster-d  . o O ( perhaps I am perverted then  LOL )
 cps_nimbue  lol
 sex_grandmaster-d  who has the next topic or question?
 sex_grandmaster-d  looks around at the class
 snhs_tender.morsel  i don't know if there was another Sensei
 cps_nimbue  doesn't have another
 sex_grandmaster-d  no there wasn't morsel  *S*  now is the time to come up with 
it though if any have one
 snhs_tender.morsel  nods
 cps_nimbue  Sensei, i am afraid i need to be excused please Sir, i must get 
ready for work now
 cps_nimbue  may i please be excused?
 imsun  ,-- does not know enough to ask questions yet.
 sex_grandmaster-d  sun did I answer your question about protocol and Gor 
completely?
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes nimbue, be well and have a good day
 cps_nimbue  thank You Sensei... You too *s*
 cps_nimbue  waves to all quietly and rises from her seat
 imsun  Sensei i believe so Sir at this time anyway. may i keep that open for 
later questions tho Sir?
 cps_nimbue {leaves}
 sex_grandmaster-d  of course anytime sun, although I do have something to add
 imsun  *listens*
 sex_grandmaster-d  the proper protocol is whatever the particular room calls 
for or lists in it's rules if it does so
 sex_grandmaster-d  for example the protocol for a BDSM room is different than a 
Gor room
 imsun  Sensei Sir this does give this one another question Sir. if i am sak.
 sex_grandmaster-d  and each site may have different lists of acceptable 
behavior
 sex_grandmaster-d  sure sun go ahead  *S*
 imsun  Thank You Sensei.. if the One is in the L/S of BDSM and also Gor but not 
all of Gor is of His likings can both be mixed and not loose anything in it?
 imsun  i know of such a D that is why i am asking.
 kws_dakota  raises my hand
 sex_grandmaster-d  yes I think it can sun because each P/person is different, 
however, the key is that Y/you don't attempt to force O/others to go by Y/your 
desires or protocol, instead Y/you follow the rules of where Y/you are
 francescas_dragonwarrior  nods as i listen
 sex_grandmaster-d  let Me give an example using the Hall
 imsun  please do Sensei Sir.
 sex_grandmaster-d  the Owners of the Hall established certain minimum rules 
that must be adhered to here
 sex_grandmaster-d  We also have posted recommended behavior known as D/s 
Etiquette
 imsun  listens
 sex_grandmaster-d  the D/s Etiquette is suggested behavior not enforced 
behavior
 sex_grandmaster-d  so as long as the minimum rules are followed the rest is 
left up to the individual and how it fits in with T/their way of living the 
lifestyle
 francescas_dragonwarrior  listens
 sex_grandmaster-d  dakota?
 kws_dakota  i think i can answer imsun.... or expand if i may briefly Sensei as 
Master was into Gor..please.
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods to dakota
 imsun  listens
 kws_dakota  Sensei is right.. yes Gor and D/s can combined.... Master likes 
certain things of Gor.. as the positions and dances... it enhances O/our being 
together... gets U/us closer  together as well.. and i am learning new ways to 
entice Him  (even though seeing me is enough He said)
 kws_dakota  i had this happen to me a few nights ago, Sensei as i wanted to 
talk to You about.....
 imsun  but?????????
 imsun  oops sorry Sensei Sir
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods and listens
 kws_dakota  however,  when one is collared.... M/most do not like their M/M 
called Master or Mistress by another.... when i asked this slave Gor to please 
respect and call my Master.  Sir... they did not and belittled Him and me.
 kws_dakota  i got very upset. just because W/we were in the Gor room did not 
mean W/we went by the Gor rules.
 imsun  isn't Gor very and i do mean very into the heavy side of this L/S?
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods
 kws_dakota  but it can be combined.... my Master (Knifewing) and i are learning 
together because i wished to learn certain things. but it brought U/us closer 
*S*
 sex_grandmaster-d  well dakota this goes back to My earlier statement, Y/you 
must go by the Protocol of the room Y/you are in, if in Gor then Y/you have no 
right to insist on a D/s Etiquette suggestion
 kws_dakota  yes Sensei that is true.. but even He agreed with me but still was 
not respected and i was called names...
 sex_grandmaster-d  no more than a Gorean would be appreciated by coming in the 
Hall and insisting that because they are Gor that A/all act as Gor to T/them
 kws_dakota  knows that does not go with Gorean rules either...  exactly Sensei.
 kws_dakota  i think it comes down to basic common courtesy yes?
 sex_grandmaster-d  I don't think I understand your previous comment dakota
 kws_dakota  it's ok Sensei... as i wanted this is more for me to talk to You 
when i have time. is getting off track.. is sorry Sensei
 kws_dakota  . o O ( i-You have time )
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods and smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  did that help answer your question better imsun?
 imsun  *smiles* yes Sensei it did this one thinks she needs to read more about 
Gor tho to get a better understanding to T/them.
 imsun  *thinks even
 sex_grandmaster-d  I suggest that you are careful in what sites you read about 
Gor as most don't really follow the Gor novels and that is what Gor is actually 
supposed to be
 imsun  Sensei the One i am thinking of has been reading things here in the Hall 
and likes what He has seen.
 sex_grandmaster-d  you might want to see if your local library has the Gor 
series by John Norman to get a feel for Gor
 imsun  *soft Smile Thank You so much Sensei this one will do just that.
 imsun  *much*
 sex_grandmaster-d  I'm glad that He likes it imsun, of course the Hall is far 
from Gorean practice in most ways   LOL
 kws_dakota  has to go small emergency here at home.
 kws_dakota {leaves}
 imsun  *smiles* Sensei He does not agree with Gor all the way just parts i 
believe Sir that is why i asked the question earlier. Can Gor and this L/S be 
mixed
 sex_grandmaster-d  nods
 imsun  Sensei He tried to enter the Hall last night but was unable to.
 sex_grandmaster-d  I too like many of the Gor parts
 imsun  *soft smiles again*
 imsun  hmm  knew i loved the Hall for a lot of reasons
 sex_grandmaster-d  probably because the DNS server is or was down, give Him the 
number URL for the Hall that should always work
 imsun  Sensei He said He found a way in today...but won't go in until He and 
this one can go in together.
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles
 imsun  He is very special to this one Sensei
 francescas_dragonwarrior  smiles
 sex_grandmaster-d  good I hope He downloaded the Ichat plugin and isn't using 
IE6
 sex_grandmaster-d  I'm sure it will be My pleasure to meet Him sun
 imsun  i am not sure which IE he is using Sensei
 imsun  this one is REALLY looking forward to intro You and Lady Fran and the 
Others to Him.
 imsun  He does not join things so He is doing this for this one
 sex_grandmaster-d  He will have trouble with IE6 and also Netscape 5, 6 of 7  
that is due to Ichat not updating the plugin for those browsers
 sex_grandmaster-d  smiles to you
 sex_grandmaster-d  alright are there any more comments or questions?
 sex_grandmaster-d  looks around the class
 -scarlet-  shakes my head no, Sensei
 francescas_dragonwarrior  no Master
 imsun  Sensei He keeps hearing about the Hall from me i guess He figured He 
needed to check it out.
 clytemnestra  No, Thank You, Sensei
 snhs_tender.morsel  no Sensei
 imsun  no Sensei not from this one.
 sex_grandmaster-d  I'm sure He did imsun  LOL  wants to see what kind of 
P/people you have been associating with  *S*
 imsun  Thank YOU so much for Your help here.
 sex_grandmaster-d  you're welcome imsun
 sex_grandmaster-d  alright class is dismissed then