Mind Set (what it is and why you need it) 02/10/01 Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok today's subject is Mindset, by request of vixen" vegasvixen who can hardly sit still Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "now any ideas on what I mean by mindset?" Sex_GrandMaster looks at the class usp not sure enlighten me Sensei vegasvixen raised her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "vixen?" vegasvixen says, "your mental attitude?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "that is part of it yes *S*" fina raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "or using one's stubbornness in a positive way?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "MMmmmmmm no, nice try though" vegasvixen raises her hand fina smiles Sex_GrandMaster chuckles Sex_GrandMaster says, "vixen?" vegasvixen says, "is it also the things we have accepted and ingrained in our way of thinking ?" LRs_angel enters. SGMs_annie raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "somewhat yes" Sex_GrandMaster says, "annie?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "hello angel enter and have a seat" SGMs_annie says, "part of it is thinking submissive and the transition to being submissive" Sex_GrandMaster says, "well it doesn't apply only to submissives," Sex_GrandMaster says, "but mainly that is what you are concerned with *S*" usp raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "usp?" vegasvixen . o O ( i am what i think i am ? ) usp kind of like where your head is at ? SGMs_annie smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "basically usp *S*" SNHs_tender.morsel raises her hand fina raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "morsel?" usp says, "perception as well as attitude ?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "that too usp" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "Sensei would an example of that be like yesterday Sire sent me to bed i was not feeling well i didn't want to go because i wanted to go to bed i wanted to go because He requested it and i wanted to comply?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "that is a result of it yes morsel" Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "Sensei, i never think about my submissiveness, is that wrong?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "in a word yes" Sex_GrandMaster smiles fina sighs Sex_GrandMaster says, "but not necessarily your fault" usp raises hand letitia_MP enters. usp bows to letitia_MP gracefully. letitia_MP says, "Enters quietly and takes a seat.." Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok then you all have some basic ideas of parts of what mindset is, today I will cover Mindset, why W/we need it and how to get it" Sex_GrandMaster says, "hello letitia" SNHs_tender.morsel listens. Sex_GrandMaster says, "yes usp?" letitia_MP says, "hello Sensei Sir" usp could not thinking about ones submissiveness be a cause of indirect environmental conditioning vegasvixen listens attentively usp . o O ( be caused by even ) Sex_GrandMaster says, "I'm sure it could be caused by that usp" vegasvixen smiles to angel and to letitia koraG leaves. LRs_angel smiles to vegasvixen Sex_GrandMaster says, "Mindset in it's simplest term is the frame of mind that you place yourself in, or that you are placed in" fina smiles maybe understanding now Sex_GrandMaster says, "there are a lot of people marketing seminars that are meant to give a particular Mindset" Sex_GrandMaster says, "mostly dealing with success in business or life" Sex_GrandMaster says, "Mindset can and will make the difference between being successful in something and failing in that same thing" usp raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "in the situation that I am addressing here today it is a narrow category that is of concern" Sex_GrandMaster says, "yes usp?" usp something like the saying you cannot achieve that which you cannot conceive ? letitia_MP listens Sex_GrandMaster says, "yes that is apropos usp" usp ergo one must alter ones thinking so the goal can be conceived ? Sex_GrandMaster says, "W/we are concerned with the submissive mindset, meaning how do you think and act submissive and succeed at that goal?" vegasvixen . o O ( ergo ? ) usp . o O ( therefore ) Sex_GrandMaster says, "this goal is achieved the same way that all goals in life are and that is by training and striving to get there" SNHs_tender.morsel listens. Sex_GrandMaster says, "however you must want to achieve this goal before it will work" Sex_GrandMaster says, "the old saying "you can lead a horse to water" applies here" Sex_GrandMaster says, "you will not and cannot go where you don't want to go in the first place, and if you get there and aren't thirsty you won't drink" fina raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "Sensei, i am thinking of pushing limits" fina says, "because i wanted to please, i was able to go to a place where i didn't really want to go" fina says, "and i enjoyed it" Sex_GrandMaster nods Sex_GrandMaster says, "actually fina, you thought you didn't want to go there, but were shown different" fina says, "oh" fina says, "that makes sense" usp raises hand vegasvixen smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "many times W/we have preconceived notions about something due to conditioning of society" letitia_MP raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "this is often the case with submission" letitia_MP lowers her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "letitia?" SGMs_annie smiles letitia_MP says, "Sensei i was just going to say that it depends on the ideas that you have grown up with...you stated this..smiles" letitia_MP tosses a Y up there Sex_GrandMaster says, "more so the case with male submissives because society teaches the males that they are the responsible person" Sex_GrandMaster nods to letitia Lady_Francesca enters. usp bows to Lady_Francesca gracefully. Sex_GrandMaster says, "so W/we achieve mindset by learning and training" Sex_GrandMaster nods to Fran Lady_Francesca nods vegasvixen smiles to the beautiful Adored One Lady Fran Sex_GrandMaster says, "you must be willing to accept this training and knowledge in the first place" SNHs_tender.morsel listens. letitia_MP leaves. letitia_MP enters. letitia_MP quietly takes her seat again SNHs_tender.morsel smiles at Lady_Francesca. usp keeps his hand up Lady_Francesca smiles to all of you. Sex_GrandMaster says, "your Dom/me is responsible to help you achieve this mindset" letitia_MP smiles...back at You Sex_GrandMaster says, "sorry usp I didn't see your hand" usp was wondering , end result being the same either way , would it not have been easier if fina had been of a mind that she might like what she was going rather than being of the mind she did not want to go ? fina raises hand usp shouldn't one be put in a receptive mode prior to trying new things ? Sex_GrandMaster says, "perhaps, but in that case I think it was a matter of societal pressure" Sex_GrandMaster says, "and I suspect she was at least subliminally or she wouldn't have gone there at all" Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "yes Sensei, my Training Master pushed every one of what i thought were my hard limits" fina says, "they were places i feared going" Sex_GrandMaster smiles fina says, "as a result my trust in Him grew" letitia_MP nods in acknowledgement with fina fina says, "and i learned more about my submissive nature" Sex_GrandMaster nods fina says, "if i had known He would do that" fina says, "i would not have agreed before hand" fina says, "and i would have lost something special" fina is quiet after her outburst letitia_MP raises her hand... Sex_GrandMaster says, "that is the purpose of training fina, to push you to your limits and beyond, stretching your growth to be the best submissive you can be" Sex_GrandMaster says, "yes letitia?" letitia_MP says, "Sensei if we are not willing to explore our limits than we are not really submissive...this is my opinion" Sex_GrandMaster says, "Hmmmmmmmmm well I don't agree completely with that premise letitia" vegasvixen listens carefully fina raises hand letitia_MP listens Sex_GrandMaster says, "I think that the Dom/me and submissive alike start with certain limits that they have no intentions of crossing, those limits change as both grow" letitia_MP acknowledges this is true Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "by exploring my hard limits i learned to focus more on who i really am as a submissive, and on that which i strive for, to be a willing slave" Sex_GrandMaster nods fina says, "i know now" fina says, "that for the right master, i can be a slave" Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok so the answer to how do you get mindset is what?" fina raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "training" Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok and anything else?" Sex_GrandMaster looks around at the class vegasvixen raises her hand suddenly Sex_GrandMaster says, "vixen?" usp must go vegasvixen says, "motivation Sensei *vbs*" fina smiles and nods Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok anything else?" letitia_MP raises her hand usp leaves. Sex_GrandMaster says, "letitia?" letitia_MP says, "desire to please your Dom/me" letitia_MP says, "and to reach new levels in your own experience" Sex_GrandMaster says, "that would be motivation letitia" fina raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "trust?" letitia_MP . o O ( my brain is not working so well..tis early Sunday morning..grins ) Lady_Francesca leaves, heading for 9th and Hennepin. Sex_GrandMaster says, "in who fina?" fina says, "self and Dom/me" Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok anything else?" vegasvixen winks at titia Sex_GrandMaster looks at the class SNHs_tender.morsel listens. fina looks at her feet Sex_GrandMaster says, "I'm looking for 2 things that haven't been mentioned yet, but are absolutely necessary" vegasvixen . o O ( ..training ..motivation...trust... ) fina raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "could it be having a goal?" SNHs_tender.morsel shakes her head does not know Sex_GrandMaster says, "partially fina" Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok how about willingness?" vegasvixen chews on her nails and tries to think fina says, "yeah*ooops*" SNHs_tender.morsel raises her hand letitia_MP smiles at vixen Sex_GrandMaster says, "you must be willing to learn and accept" Sex_GrandMaster says, "morsel?" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "Sensei i didn't say that cause to me if you have the motivation and desire then you already have the willingness" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "it had to be there first" Sex_GrandMaster says, "not necessarily morsel" fina raises her hand SNHs_tender.morsel says, "hhmm ok" letitia_MP raises her hand vegasvixen raises her hand SNHs_tender.morsel sits back and chews on vixen's nails too Sex_GrandMaster says, "motivation is a reason" Sex_GrandMaster says, "desire is wanting to do it" Sex_GrandMaster says, "willingness is the physical effort to actually accept and do it" Sex_GrandMaster says, "I'll give an example" SGMs_annie listens SNHs_tender.morsel listens. Sex_GrandMaster says, "one of the big things of societal pressure today is "stop smoking"" LRs_angel listens attentively vegasvixen nods SNHs_tender.morsel wants to do that too Sex_GrandMaster says, "there are strong motivations presented, not all of them are necessarily true, maybe none" Sex_GrandMaster says, "but these create a desire to stop" Sex_GrandMaster says, "do M/most stop? No, because they aren't willing to" fina listens SNHs_tender.morsel nods and hides her smokes behind her back Sex_GrandMaster says, "that is just an example there because I smoke and have no intentions of stopping at this time" fina raises hand Sex_GrandMaster chuckles Sex_GrandMaster says, "vixen first then you fina" Sex_GrandMaster says, "vixen?" vegasvixen says, "is knowledge one of the things you also need Sensei ?" vegasvixen says, "or is that part of training ?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "that is part of training" Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "this is where acceptance comes into play Sensei...i was taught to succeed at stopping smoking you must think of your self as a non smoker, to visualize it...to call yourself one, even though you might be smoking at the time..." fina says, "acceptance is like feedback...you need it to claim a victory" Sex_GrandMaster says, "and you were willing at the time to put to the effort to do so right?" fina says, "yes Sensei" Sex_GrandMaster smiles fina eyes lowered fina says, "but i started again later" letitia_MP . o O ( altering your mindset ..smiles ) Sex_GrandMaster smiles fina says, "but i still think of myself as a non smoker, and when i am asked i start to say i don't smoke" Sex_GrandMaster says, "I see nothing wrong with smoking fina so you will get no shaking of the head from Me there" fina blushes vegasvixen squirms Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok back to mindset" Sex_GrandMaster says, "first you must have the desire, the motivation and be willing" Sex_GrandMaster says, "then you need to learn how to be submissive, you need to think submissive and act submissive in order to develop the proper mindset" Sex_GrandMaster says, "when this mindset is achieved your responses will automatically become submissive responses" Sex_GrandMaster says, "I am speaking in regards to your Dom/me of course and not the entire world" Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster smiles letitia_MP smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "now why do you need the mindset anyway?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "can't you just fake it or respond as the time suits you?" fina raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "so you will feel satisfaction at being successful?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok maybe" Sex_GrandMaster says, "any other reasons?" letitia_MP raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "letitia?" letitia_MP says, "so Y/your relationship can develop...grow Sensei?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "it would have a bearing on it yes" Sex_GrandMaster says, "anything else?" SNHs_tender.morsel raises her hand vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "morsel?" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "without it Sensei one can feel submissive but actually putting a lot of things into physical practice would be very difficult?" fina raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "yes it would morsel *S*" Sex_GrandMaster says, "vixen?" SNHs_tender.morsel . o O ( hopes that was at least close ) vegasvixen says, "without the mindset it is just doing through the motions Sensei ...it's a one dimensional experience ..without personal growth" Sex_GrandMaster nods SNHs_tender.morsel . o O ( good one ) Sex_GrandMaster says, "that too" Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "umm i have a question Sensei, is sub space a mind set?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "I think it is partially a mindset, and certainly without having a submissive mindset I doubt you can truly go there" fina thinking Sex_GrandMaster says, "however sub-space is a subject all it's own" fina says, "yes Sensei" Sex_GrandMaster says, "it requires much more than just being in a submissive frame of mind" Sex_GrandMaster smiles SNHs_tender.morsel has never been there Sex_GrandMaster says, "alright there are many reasons why you need the submissive mindset, and all that you mentioned are good valid reasons" letitia_MP has mm SNHs_tender.morsel listens. Sex_GrandMaster says, "the point is that in order to be submissive you must think submissive and the mindset develops the proper responses to allow that" fina smiles and nods Sex_GrandMaster says, "once you achieve the mindset of being submissive, your responses are that of a submissive without having to think on each one" SNHs_tender.morsel sees a light suddenly come on in her head Sex_GrandMaster says, "your goals as a submissive are that much easier to attain when you reach this point" Sex_GrandMaster says, "so to recap" Sex_GrandMaster says, "the submissive mindset is to think, act and BE submissive" Sex_GrandMaster says, "as well as feel submissive" Sex_GrandMaster says, "how do you achieve this?" SNHs_tender.morsel listens. fina raises hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "the elements necessary are desire, motivation, training and willingness to commit to the effort required" vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "in the beginning it will require thinking submissive a lot of the time, as you learn your responses will become second nature" Sex_GrandMaster says, "yes fina?" fina says, "and claiming the victory? knowing in your heart that you are submissive?" Sex_GrandMaster nods Sex_GrandMaster says, "that will of course help fina *S*" Sex_GrandMaster says, "vixen?" vegasvixen says, "W/we spoke before on how mindset helps a sub to BE whatever the M desires ....will You expand on that please Sensei?" Sex_GrandMaster nods to vixen Sex_GrandMaster says, "and third ... why do you even need to have the mindset?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "there were many answers to this one and all valid, the main reason is that the mindset resolves all conflict in your previous societal training and allows you to submit fully to your Dom/me" fina smiles softly Sex_GrandMaster says, "now to expand on your point vixen" vegasvixen smiles and leans forward eagerly LRs_angel listens letitia_MP listens SNHs_tender.morsel listens. fina listens Sex_GrandMaster says, "with the developed mindset your thinking patterns will coincide with your desires to serve and please your Dom/me" Sex_GrandMaster says, "it will be easier for you to expand your limits and accept the training that your Dom/me gives you" Sex_GrandMaster says, "as you find it easier to accept this you are more willing to learn" Sex_GrandMaster says, "also your level of submission will result in a deeper level of trust" LRs_angel must go vegasvixen smiles Sex_GrandMaster nods to angel LRs_angel leaves. Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok any questions?" SNHs_tender.morsel raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "morsel?" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "Sensei can You give an example of a kind of training that would help develop the right mindset?" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "i'm a little foggy there still" Sex_GrandMaster says, "the training to develop the mindset is mutual between the Dom/me and the sub, each C/couple may approach it differently" Sex_GrandMaster says, "I recommend looking at the areas of difficulty the sub has in being submissive and working on responses to those situations" Sex_GrandMaster says, "as an example" SNHs_tender.morsel listens. Sex_GrandMaster says, "if a sub has difficulty in remembering to address Dom/mes in the proper manner, correction each time it happens" Sex_GrandMaster says, "or say a sub is lax in wanting to serve or kneel, the Dom/me makes that a priority" Sex_GrandMaster says, "of course when you do well at it then proper praise is lavished on you" vegasvixen likes the word lavished vegasvixen grins SNHs_tender.morsel says, "i think the fog is clearer now Sensei thank You" Sex_GrandMaster says, "training is a matter of correcting the trouble areas of being submissive" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "i have the other elements Sensei i think some training is what is lacking" Sex_GrandMaster says, "by gentle guidance if possible, punishment for infractions if necessary" Sex_GrandMaster says, "training and consistency is the primary elements to reaching the mindset" Sex_GrandMaster says, "it is something that you have to continually strive for, self improvement" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "and those are what are lacking a bit i think Sensei" Sex_GrandMaster says, "your Dom/me helps and guides you to this self improvement, but it is for you not the Dom/me" SNHs_tender.morsel nods vegasvixen nods letitia_MP nods Sex_GrandMaster says, "We of course get benefits from the results, but primarily this is a personal growth and improvement thing" SGMs_annie smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "you can be proud of your achievement at the end as much as your Dom/me will be Proud of you for it" Sex_GrandMaster smiles SNHs_tender.morsel smiles. letitia_MP . o O ( hopes so..smiles ) Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok any other questions or discussion?" fina raises her hand reluctantly and doesn't erase it this time Sex_GrandMaster says, "fina?" fina says, "Sensei, is there a lesson about pain, i don't know how to say what i am asking, about how much to take, challenging yourself stuff like that?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "there are two lessons on pain, but neither cover that question" Sex_GrandMaster says, "and there is a reason" Sex_GrandMaster smiles fina says, "i understand and have experienced pain turning to pleasure, but i have some questions" letitia_MP . o O ( is a personal thing ) vegasvixen listens Sex_GrandMaster says, "neither I nor anyone else can tell you how much pain to take, but I suggest that if it isn't pleasure you should yellow or red" Sex_GrandMaster says, "it is up to the Dom/me to guide you to the pleasure in pain and They have to know where you are at" fina says, "yes Sensei, i trust my Dom, and will do as i am told" Sex_GrandMaster says, "allowing pain to continue if it isn't resulting in pleasure is a disservice to your Dom/me" fina understands Sex_GrandMaster says, "They must feel and know that they can trust you to keep them aware of what you are feeling" Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "did that answer your question?" fina says, "it reminded me that i already know this Sensei, i don't know why i forget, maybe is because i don't get to play often enough *blushes*" Sex_GrandMaster nods vegasvixen . o O ( W/who does ? ) fina smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "ok anything else?" vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster says, "vixen?" vegasvixen says, "do You have suggestions for a girl on determining what her limits are ?" Sex_GrandMaster says, "if you have some experience your limits should be based on what resulted from those experiences" Sex_GrandMaster says, "you will probably have soft limits and hard limits" Sex_GrandMaster says, "soft limits are those that you feel can easily be expanded with the right Dom/me" Sex_GrandMaster says, "hard limits are those that you can't see going there at all" Sex_GrandMaster says, "although be aware that those limits will change as you grow" fina smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "so it is ok to start with lower soft limits" Sex_GrandMaster says, "and let your experiences push and expand those limits" Sex_GrandMaster says, "did that answer the question?" vegasvixen says, "i think so Sensei*s*" Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster says, "if there aren't any other questions class is dismissed" letitia_MP says, "Smiles :" SNHs_tender.morsel says, "none here Sensei thank You" letitia_MP says, "thank you Sensei" vegasvixen says, "thank You very much Sensei *S* i enjoyed the class" fina says, "thank You Sensei for Your time and sharing Your wisdom"