Favorite Classes March 30, 2002 sex_grandmaster-d who wants to begin? sex_grandmaster-d looks at the small class -scarlet- raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d ok scarlet you may start it sex_grandmaster-d what class did you pick? -scarlet- i actually found 2 classes that were very helpful, 1 being Behavior, and 2 being Serves sex_grandmaster-d nods and listens -scarlet- "serving" interests me .... i like to serve my Master, and it was helpful in getting ideas, wording, etc sex_grandmaster-d nods -scarlet- He doesn't always like "serves" though ... depends on how thirsty He is!! ws_perfectangel smiles sex_grandmaster-d listens -scarlet- and the other was "Behavior" .... i believe that O/ones behavior in all aspects is important ..... and in that lesson, that was emphasized sex_grandmaster-d nods -scarlet- Behavior ties in closely with respect, self-esteem, and obedience .. with everything really sex_grandmaster-d do you reread the classes scarlet? sgms_annie agrees -scarlet- i actually was skimming through them Sir, to complete the assignment -scarlet- or do You mean, at other times . ws_perfectangel raises her hand.. sex_grandmaster-d yes I meant at other times *S* -scarlet- ohhhh, yes Sensei, i do go back to them and read and reread them when i have time sex_grandmaster-d nods and smiles sex_grandmaster-d yes angel? ws_perfectangel i remember reading that class...it helped me to realize that everything I say or do is a reflection on my Master -scarlet- nods n nods -scarlet- raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d yes scarlet? sex_grandmaster-d smiles -scarlet- not too many P/people here know my Master, as He has been here only once, but i agree with angel, and it really doesn't matter if He is known here or not, i have a certain pride in my behavior, and knows it reflects on Him, and He is proud too, of me ws_perfectangel nods sex_grandmaster-d nods sgms_annie smiles -scarlet- . o O ( the time difference is His biggest obstacle in coming here ) sex_grandmaster-d so based on your behavior P/people develop a preconception of what your Master is? ws_perfectangel nods sgms_annie . o O ( yes very much so ) -scarlet- to a point, Sensei .... a preconception of what He is? that i don't know, but a preconception of what He expects perhaps sex_grandmaster-d nods ws_perfectangel raises her hand sex_grandmaster-d generally what a Dom/me expects is related to what kind of Master or Mistress They are *S* sex_grandmaster-d angel? ws_perfectangel what You just said Sir...*s* sex_grandmaster-d chuckles -scarlet- . o O ( guess i was thinking more of who He is, His personality ) sex_grandmaster-d nods sex_grandmaster-d I used what as a term for the "type" of Master and the skill they have in controlling a sub -scarlet- nods ws_perfectangel . o O ( or whether They care enough to control the sub ) -scarlet- nods n nods sex_grandmaster-d generally the conception of what kind of M/M they are and Who They are don't always reflect equally -scarlet- raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d yes that too angel *S* of course the behavior also reflects on what "kind" of sub you are as well sex_grandmaster-d scarlet? ws_perfectangel nods -scarlet- in regards to angel's though, whether they care enough to control the sub, isn't that also a respect, and self-esteem issue too? -scarlet- on both sides -scarlet- tosses up a t to make that word thought sex_grandmaster-d yes I think it involves those aspects of T/their personality and relationship as well as other things ws_perfectangel raises her hand sex_grandmaster-d angel? ws_perfectangel Sensei...I have seen subs whose behavior I personally find offensive, yet the Dom/me seems to find amusing or "cute"...I guess personality plays a large role in the relationship -scarlet- raises her hand sex_grandmaster-d yes it does and the Lifestyle is spread over an extremely large range of what is acceptable sex_grandmaster-d scarlet? ws_perfectangel nods -scarlet- do Y/you think that is more dominant in the "on-line" players? rather than T/those whose relationships cross from online to r/l? -scarlet- or more common, i guess would be the better way of stating it ws_perfectangel raises her hand sex_grandmaster-d I understood what you meant and either works, but no I don't see that, I know many in r/l that seem to have the same concepts. I really think it deals more with P/personality and maturity issues sex_grandmaster-d angel? ws_perfectangel hasn't known many real lifers yet, but the ones I have met I don't believe would allow their subs to get away with a lot of the stuff I have seen on line...*g* sex_grandmaster-d you are right angel although I think you have met mostly the more serious and mature P/people ws_perfectangel smiles...yes Sir sex_grandmaster-d I will also say that it seems to segregate in group meetings, in other words those that are lax in control or find poor behavior cute tend to mix with those of the same ideas ws_perfectangel nods -scarlet- nods sgms_annie weird but true -scarlet- . o O ( birds of a feather ..... ) sex_grandmaster-d smiles sex_grandmaster-d that is basic human nature of course sex_grandmaster-d alright are there any other comments on those classes? sgms_annie . o O ( especially liked the example of a male serve ) -scarlet- smilesssss ws_perfectangel . o O ( you would ) sgms_annie giggles sex_grandmaster-d Hmmmmmmmmm I don't recall that I guess I will have to read the class *S* ws_perfectangel laffs sgms_annie . o O ( You did the example Master *lol* ) sex_grandmaster-d Oh ws_perfectangel . o O ( it was...nice ) sex_grandmaster-d laughs -scarlet- chuckles sgms_annie laughs and laughs ws_perfectangel giggles sex_grandmaster-d alright then annie it's your turn sex_grandmaster-d smiles sgms_annie thank You Master *s* sex_grandmaster-d what class did you pick and why? sgms_annie my favorites are attentiveness and the mindset ones sex_grandmaster-d nods and listens sgms_annie in the attentive class You said Attentiveness to your Dom/me will be what you and your Dom/me will be judged by to a certain extent it reflects your level of devotion to and caring for your Dom/me it reflects the quality of your training it reflects the quality of your Dom/me and it reflects the quality of your relationship it is a full time endeavor, of respect love and devotion ws_perfectangel smiles -scarlet- smiles and nods sex_grandmaster-d . o O ( I said that? ) sgms_annie i remember that more than anything else about the class, its lesson is the core of what i try to be and do sex_grandmaster-d smiles at you ws_perfectangel raises her hand... sex_grandmaster-d angel? ws_perfectangel if not attentive to your Dom/mes needs and desires...are you really sub at all? sex_grandmaster-d listens sgms_annie raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d continue annie *S* -scarlet- raises my hand sgms_annie that is where the mindset class reinforces that mantra *S* sgms_annie first you must have the desire, willingness and motivation sgms_annie then you learn to be a submissive sgms_annie to think and act submissive sgms_annie to develop the proper mindset sgms_annie responding without thinking sex_grandmaster-d smiles ws_perfectangel nods in agreement sgms_annie not submissive until you open up and learn to be submissive and the mantra is the ultimate goal sgms_annie those are my favorites *S* sex_grandmaster-d scarlet? -scarlet- wouldn't attentiveness and behavior be almost the same thing? everything really is inter-related ... one quality reinforces the other... sgms_annie raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d annie? sgms_annie i totally agree scarlet submission D/s is complicated each slice opens more doors and if we could pull it all together at the same time then wow sgms_annie its all interrelated *s* ws_perfectangel raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d angel? ws_perfectangel really didn't prepare for this, but there is one class that always stands out in my mind sex_grandmaster-d smiles sex_grandmaster-d go for it angel ws_perfectangel not sure of the exact title..but the discussion was on total power exchange and the meaning of that ws_perfectangel from the beginning, I was uncomfortable with that phrase... ws_perfectangel I believe in the class we came to the conclusion I had already reached...there is no power exchange once the relationship is formed ws_perfectangel there is Dom and sub...and the sub has no "power" ws_perfectangel the class only confirmed my feelings Sir...that's what I remember sex_grandmaster-d nods sex_grandmaster-d that class is called Total Power Exchange ws_perfectangel thank You Sir...lol sgms_annie raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d it's under Definitions in the subject list and is also a two parts as I recall *S* ws_perfectangel nods sex_grandmaster-d annie? sgms_annie i think that wording for those not into the temporary play situation should be past tense Total Power Exchanged once and for all ws_perfectangel . o O ( good way to put it ) sex_grandmaster-d smiles -scarlet- raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d it should be stated though that the sub still retains rights sgms_annie agrees ws_perfectangel agrees sex_grandmaster-d those should never be given away *S* sex_grandmaster-d scarlet? -scarlet- Sensei, Your turn, what was Your favorite class? ws_perfectangel grins sgms_annie smiles and listens sex_grandmaster-d laughs sex_grandmaster-d . o O ( like I remember the classes ) ws_perfectangel . o O ( see why scarlet and i are old friends? ) -scarlet- chuckles sgms_annie checks to see that there is fresh film -scarlet- winks at angel ws_perfectangel laffs sex_grandmaster-d actually I have several classes that I think deserve looking back to as references -scarlet- listens sex_grandmaster-d those dealing with rights and expectations, safe words, how to choose a Dom/me ws_perfectangel nods sex_grandmaster-d negotiations -scarlet- . o O ( How to choose a Dom/me .... broke every rule, but was very very very lucky ) sex_grandmaster-d W/worthiness, training and mind set all seem good ones *S* sex_grandmaster-d smiles at scarlet sex_grandmaster-d most do scarlet ws_perfectangel . o O ( didn't know there were rules at the time ) sex_grandmaster-d but not all are lucky -scarlet- me either angel ..... didn't know anything really sex_grandmaster-d I don't know that I represent them so much as rules angel as I consider it sage advice ws_perfectangel raises her hand... sex_grandmaster-d angel? ws_perfectangel it is good advice Sir...it's just that sometimes our hearts rule and not our heads....i was also lucky, but have known some that were not sex_grandmaster-d nods and smiles sex_grandmaster-d sometimes the heart knows what is best and sometimes not ws_perfectangel nods sgms_annie smiles -scarlet- nods sex_grandmaster-d and sometimes it is the heat and not the heart LOL ws_perfectangel laffs... -scarlet- giggles sgms_annie grins ws_perfectangel . o O ( and sometimes both ) sex_grandmaster-d that is the one that will get you into the most trouble *S* sex_grandmaster-d alright any more comments on these classes? ws_perfectangel none here Sensei sgms_annie no Master -scarlet- none from me Sensei sex_grandmaster-d ok I want to address a couple of the comments brought up sex_grandmaster-d the one regarding attentiveness and behavior -scarlet- listens sgms_annie listens sex_grandmaster-d attentiveness is a subpart of behavior, but there are many other aspects involved in the total image of behavior sex_grandmaster-d I like to think of attentiveness as the groundwork of behavior, sex_grandmaster-d if it is missing then your behavior is on unstable ground -scarlet- nods, makes sense sex_grandmaster-d there are so many interlinking facets of this lifestyle that it is hard to separate them in exact categories ws_perfectangel agrees -scarlet- does too sex_grandmaster-d for instance mind set is also a very large part of behavior sex_grandmaster-d serving is a part of mind set sex_grandmaster-d as well as attentiveness plays a part in mind set sex_grandmaster-d behavior of course is the outer shell that is seen as a package by T/those looking on sex_grandmaster-d and the other thing I wanted to touch on was the TPE subject sex_grandmaster-d although you as a sub do not have power in the sense of control you do have rights ws_perfectangel nods -scarlet- nods sex_grandmaster-d you have the right to expect that your Dom/me will adhere to the limits agreed on and will treat you as the treasure that you are sgms_annie smiles sex_grandmaster-d this does not limit where Y/you can grow to or what scenes are involved sex_grandmaster-d but it does deny abuse of you and of any agreed upon limits -scarlet- smiles and nods ws_perfectangel raises her hand sex_grandmaster-d angel? ws_perfectangel recently talked to a friend new to the lifestyle and interested in a particular Dom sex_grandmaster-d nods ws_perfectangel she said He would not accept ANY limits from her and she asked me what I thought she should do ws_perfectangel all I could think to tell her was....run... -scarlet- . o O ( good advice i thing, angel ) sex_grandmaster-d excellent advise angel *S* ws_perfectangel I worry about her -scarlet- takes the g and replaces it with a k sex_grandmaster-d explain to her that there are always personal limits, this lifestyle is based on Safe, Sane and Consensual ws_perfectangel I tried Sensei...I think she's blinded by the heat you talked about -scarlet- raises my hand sex_grandmaster-d it is not Consensual if either P/party is coerced into an activity that is not desired ws_perfectangel she's flying across the country to meet a man and she doesn't even know his real name sex_grandmaster-d I hope she has set up safe calls at least sgms_annie . o O ( hope she has safe calls ) -scarlet- you might suggest to her to read the transcripts of the classes in here, angel ws_perfectangel no...she says He won't allow them....I've talked and talked...I don't know how to stop her -scarlet- unraises my hand sex_grandmaster-d she doesn't have to come into the chat to read the classes angel they are available from the main page sex_grandmaster-d smiles at scarlet sgms_annie . o O ( maybe she needs to read some tragic results ) ws_perfectangel I will try that...thank Y/you -scarlet- sees red flags up all over the place sex_grandmaster-d in the first place angel He has no right to disallow anything until after they have reached an agreement ws_perfectangel nods ws_perfectangel I know Sir...but I can't seem to convince her of that... -scarlet- perhaps her talking with another Dom/me would help sex_grandmaster-d I agree with annie, she needs to read some of the cases in the newspaper on how so called Masters have lured subs to their death ws_perfectangel good idea sex_grandmaster-d the most spectacular one operating online like this person she is meeting -scarlet- . o O ( is scared for her ) ws_perfectangel yes Sir...I remember that vividly... ws_perfectangel I'm terrified for her...he said the only name she ever needs to know is Master sgms_annie . o O ( lv saw that slavemaster at a bdsm thing in kansas city ) sex_grandmaster-d luring the sub to meet them with no safe calls and no rules and the subs ...... over a dozen I believe winding up in barrels in a storage facility and buried on his ranch ws_perfectangel do You mind if I copy this scroll to show to her Sir? sex_grandmaster-d not at all angel ws_perfectangel thank You Sir ws_perfectangel will try anything -scarlet- if i can do anything to help you angel, just ask, you know i'll be there ws_perfectangel thank you A/all sex_grandmaster-d I can picture this person as not being a Master or even honest, otherwise there is no reason for her to be meeting in that manner ws_perfectangel nodnods.... ws_perfectangel and he tells her this one week after meeting her.... sex_grandmaster-d usually these types sound like Masters because they have watched the chats and know some of the phrases used ws_perfectangel nods -scarlet- angel, this web site should get you to an article on "slavemaster" http://205.180.85.40/w/pc.cgi?mid=10556&sid=1796 ws_perfectangel got it...thank you sex_grandmaster-d they also can spot a good victim, one that hasn't spent the time to educate themselves online and will fall for the fake words they type sex_grandmaster-d do you know her r/l angel? sgms_annie i read this somewhere it was from a killer, he said he sought middle aged pudgy woman, lonely and willing to do anything for "love" made them easy marks, not many friends or close family support...they closed themselves off from the few that they were close to ws_perfectangel no I don't Sir...only from another chat site ws_perfectangel nods to annie...easy victims -scarlet- nods to annie .... those looking for the "fairy tales" to come true sex_grandmaster-d a real life Master or Mistress for that fact do not hide information from people if they are meeting ws_perfectangel knew my Masters real name, address, phone....within a week sex_grandmaster-d and of course neither should the sub sgms_annie is he paying for her trip? -scarlet- i did too, and He did also, He also "researched" me on the web, found my business, etc.. ws_perfectangel no annie...another red flag...if she is "his"..she will pay for everything sgms_annie no trace, his name would have been on the ticket along with a credit card number ws_perfectangel yep -scarlet- where does she live, do you know angel? sgms_annie where did she meet him ws_perfectangel in Texas...he lives in Michigan...and she met him in a chat room...guess which one... ws_perfectangel Texas sex_grandmaster-d NC? ws_perfectangel yes -scarlet- . o O ( was hoping it was Los Angeles, i'd go meet her ) -scarlet- looks at angel ws_perfectangel I know scarlet...but as you said, you were lucky ws_perfectangel you know the number of game players in there -scarlet- counts my blessings sgms_annie what is his chat name? -scarlet- nods n nods sgms_annie anyone every meet him before? ws_perfectangel she won't tell me...she knows how scared I am for her ws_perfectangel I think she changed her name in there so I can't find her either sex_grandmaster-d . o O ( there are a lot of barrels in Michigan ) sgms_annie maybe she is making this whole thing up...why wouldn't she tell you? does she have a death wish? -scarlet- who was she there angel? ws_perfectangel I don't think she is making it up...I think she truly thinks it's "ok" because he is a Master ws_perfectangel and I can't take the chance on it being a lie -scarlet- no, you can't sex_grandmaster-d she probably also feeds that with the possibility that you are jealous and want Him ws_perfectangel gods Sir...after what I have said about Him I kind of doubt that....lol sex_grandmaster-d and He helps her feed that paranoia ws_perfectangel but You may be right.... sex_grandmaster-d trust Me a case can be built for that easily ws_perfectangel I suppose so Sir ws_perfectangel I apologize...didn't mean to bring this up in the class...but I needed some help with this sex_grandmaster-d . o O ( they are running Me down because they don't want you to have Me ) ws_perfectangel looks at SGM....I never even thought of that... sex_grandmaster-d . o O ( they don't want you to have the enjoyment they have ) -scarlet- has had that happen in a totally different situation, my best friends "fiancé", who i despised ... fed her those lines sgms_annie . o O ( they don't understand us and our love ) sex_grandmaster-d . o O ( they are jealous that you have met a Master and may not be talking as much as you used to ) ws_perfectangel copies the scroll again -scarlet- when is she suppose to go meet him angel? ws_perfectangel in a month sex_grandmaster-d it happens all the time angel *S* ws_perfectangel yes Sir...I suppose it does sgms_annie i think she should ask around about him, sometimes other people have clues about this guy -scarlet- nods n nods ws_perfectangel nods sex_grandmaster-d she may likely find he has several subs on the string or is using several different names sgms_annie remember the guy lass was with he sent her a pic, she sent it to me, looked familiar was the same guy she was collared to familiar, tracked down another sub i knew, it was the guy she was collared t ws_perfectangel sheesh sgms_annie opps erase key didn't work to well but lass and gentle spirit were collared to the same guy sex_grandmaster-d most of the time O/one can watch closely and tell if there is suspicion of similar phrases or actions by different "names" ws_perfectangel maybe if I show her this, she will see it is just more than my concern.... sgms_annie or almost collared i think he missed the collaring cause he was a fireman and there was a big fire...which of course was a big lie sex_grandmaster-d I am concerned for her and I don't even know her angel, but the facts are waving a giant red flag ws_perfectangel yes Sir sex_grandmaster-d nods to you ws_perfectangel thank Y/you all...maybe this will help ws_perfectangel A/all -scarlet- i hope so angel sgms_annie didn't toy go to NY and met some guy that was drunk and beat her up and didn't she call someone there to go get her? sex_grandmaster-d I hope so angel *S* and if she will go to some of the educational sites she will see why W/we have concerns sex_grandmaster-d I think so annie, but I don't remember the details sex_grandmaster-d smiles ws_perfectangel well, I think I will go...I'm going to email the scroll to her sgms_annie on the links is a place called safe calls angel, even if she doesn't know someone in Michigan there are people there willing to be safe calls ws_perfectangel yes....I have that addy annie...thanks sgms_annie your welcome *s* -scarlet- good luck angel sgms_annie i hope you have your safe calls in place too sex_grandmaster-d have her go to the main Hall page and look at the classroom and the links page for information sites sex_grandmaster-d http://greathallofbdsm.com ws_perfectangel absolutely annie...we arranged that a while back ws_perfectangel I'll try Sir sgms_annie cool *S* sex_grandmaster-d smiles at angel ws_perfectangel and He sent my daughter his name, addy and phone... ws_perfectangel lol -scarlet- smiles and winks at angel ws_perfectangel thank Y/you again...see Y/you later sex_grandmaster-d ok angel be well ws_perfectangel {leaves} sex_grandmaster-d class is dismissed by the way LOL