Training 12-23-00 Sex_GrandMaster {enters} beauty {enters} beauty enters and sits quietly Sex_GrandMaster hello beauty sweet_lilone {enters} vegasvixen {enters} vegasvixen takes a seat SBs_tender.morsel {enters} sweet_lilone takes a seat Sex_GrandMaster hello lil, vixen SBs_tender.morsel slips in and takes a seat Sex_GrandMaster hello morsel SBs_tender.morsel hello Sir beauty hello Sir SBs_tender.morsel hello again sis's sweet_lilone Hello Sir sweet_lilone smiles to morsel Sex_GrandMaster how many of you are here for the first time? SBs_tender.morsel none i don't think Sir Sex_GrandMaster ok then do you all remember the rules of class? sweet_lilone does SBs_tender.morsel i believe so Sir vegasvixen nods vegasvixen yes Sir beauty yes Sir sweet_lilone yes Sir Sex_GrandMaster and I would be Who then? SBs_tender.morsel Sensei Sir beauty Sensei sweet_lilone You would be Sensei Sir beauty Sir vegasvixen waits for the others cuz she can't spell Sex_GrandMaster LOL vegasvixen Sensei *S* 55Chevy {enters} Sex_GrandMaster very well sweet_lilone muffles a giggle nejasny_Chevy {enters} Sex_GrandMaster come in and have a seat Chevy 55Chevy TY SGM Sex_GrandMaster hello jas nejasny_Chevy walks quietly to Chevy nejasny_Chevy thank You SGM Sir sorry to be late Sex_GrandMaster is this your first class jas? nejasny_Chevy I have been to a few but not recently Sex_GrandMaster ok let Me go over the rules real quick then nejasny_Chevy listens Sex_GrandMaster 1. the Teacher is called Sensei during the class period Sex_GrandMaster 2. No PMs in or outside of the room during class Sex_GrandMaster This includes with your Master nejasny_Chevy Yes Sir Sex_GrandMaster 3. ICQ should be placed on away SGMs_annie {enters} SGMs_annie enters and slides into a seat Sex_GrandMaster hello annie take your seat SGMs_annie thank You Master *s* hello to You too vegasvixen smiles @annie Sex_GrandMaster 4. no greetings or goodbyes during class vegasvixen listens sweet_lilone smiles at annie Sex_GrandMaster this includes M/M's that may enter to sit in Sex_GrandMaster 5. you raise your hand to be recognized Sex_GrandMaster looks to the class Sex_GrandMaster did I leave anything out? SGMs_annie . o O ( icq on away? ) Sex_GrandMaster that was before you came in annie *S* SGMs_annie smiles and hushes...even my thoughts Sex_GrandMaster ok class is in session then Sex_GrandMaster today's class is on Training sweet_lilone listens closely Sex_GrandMaster now of course W/we are all adults here right? SBs_tender.morsel nods sweet_lilone yes Sensei vegasvixen yes Sensei SBs_tender.morsel yes Sensei Sex_GrandMaster W/we know all about life and how to live, so why does anyone need training? SGMs_annie listens vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster in fact do you need training at all? Sex_GrandMaster vixen vegasvixen two of many reasons i am sure Sensei ..training makes anyone better at something ..and can be specific to please your Dom/me Sex_GrandMaster ok any other ideas? SGMs_annie raises my hand sweet_lilone raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster annie? beauty raises my hand SGMs_annie many maybe born submissive but to really be submissive you have to learn it Sex_GrandMaster ok lil? sweet_lilone so things don't go awry and get too out of control Sensei...a certain amount of training can prevent that Sex_GrandMaster ok beauty? beauty no one is perfect and we all have something to learn. training helps one improve and hone in on desirable area's of learning. Sex_GrandMaster nods vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster so W/we can assume that you need training? Sex_GrandMaster yes vixen SGMs_annie nods in agreement vegasvixen could it be compared to a talent such as music or art Sensei ...raw talent vs. the trained musician ? *s* beauty Yes Sensei. SBs_tender.morsel raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster an excellent comparison vixen *S* Sex_GrandMaster morsel? SBs_tender.morsel i think i have an example of annie's comment Sensei Sex_GrandMaster listens SBs_tender.morsel with myself SBs_tender.morsel i have the submissive feelings no doubt in my mind but putting some of the things in physical practice has proven difficult and i am needing training to get past that Sex_GrandMaster nods Sex_GrandMaster ok to expand more on annie's comment Sex_GrandMaster Many may be born Dominant, do They need training? Sex_GrandMaster Y/you bet your sweet bippy We do sweet_lilone raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster yes lil nejasny_Chevy raises hand Sex_GrandMaster lil? sweet_lilone in all aspects Sensei, i believe that E/everyone needs some training...it helps T/them grow into what T/they feel T/they are and it helps T/them accomplish T/their goals in life Sex_GrandMaster ok jas nejasny_Chevy May I be excused Sensei RL intrudes Sex_GrandMaster no need to ask jas *S* just leave if necessary Sex_GrandMaster that goes for anyone in the class nejasny_Chevy okay thank You Sensei sorry nejasny_Chevy {leaves} Sex_GrandMaster now let's talk a little about Untraining beauty raises my hand Sex_GrandMaster yes beauty beauty sorry Sensei, nothing Sex_GrandMaster nods LordAtreides {enters} Sex_GrandMaster Greetings Atriedes come in and have a seat LordAtreides waves to all and wishes merry xmas to everyone Sex_GrandMaster the subs are not allowed greetings during class Sex_GrandMaster smiles LordAtreides thanks SGM Sex_GrandMaster what do I mean by Untraining? any ideas? LordAtreides sits and listens to what is said SBs_tender.morsel raises her hand vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster morsel SBs_tender.morsel breaking old habits Sensei to make room for the new ones? Sex_GrandMaster good morsel but I wouldn't have used the term breaking Sex_GrandMaster vixen? SBs_tender.morsel yes Sensei vegasvixen unlearning responses we may have learned over the years ? Sex_GrandMaster nods Sex_GrandMaster W/we and that includes Dom/mes all learn things during life, as we get older, we have these habits entrenched deep in our personalities sweet_lilone listens Sex_GrandMaster if you start out young in life in the lifestyle it is easier because Y/you don't have a big truckload of these habits that help you conform to the outside world Sex_GrandMaster and you don't think of them as normal LAs_brat {enters} Sex_GrandMaster as you get older you have to unlearn many of these automatic responses and thoughts to be able to learn new ones SBs_tender.morsel raises her hand LAs_brat may this one enter please? Sex_GrandMaster hello brat come in and have a seat LAs_brat thank you SGM Sir Sex_GrandMaster annie will you please fill brat in on the rules of class by PM SGMs_annie yes Master LAs_brat finds a seat and sits Sex_GrandMaster the reason these habits and automatic response have to be Untrained by both Dom/mes and subs, is that "normal society" doesn't teach you to be submissive, it isn't popular Sex_GrandMaster and sweet_lilone raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster as far as being Dominant goes it is usually considered hard line in "normal society" Sex_GrandMaster neither of these have to be true, further women aren't supposed to be Dominant at all in that vixen vegasvixen nods Sex_GrandMaster yes lil? sweet_lilone i just have a bit of a comment on that Sensei Sex_GrandMaster listens LordAtreides {leaves} SBs_tender.morsel raises her hand sweet_lilone i think that's the problem nowadays, P/people are always doing things to please the "normal society" instead of doing what T/they feel is right sweet_lilone i mean why should Y/you have to untrain Y/yourself just to please them Sex_GrandMaster well you aren't untraining to please them, you have already been trained to ignore your feelings and do what is expected Sex_GrandMaster We are all trained from childhood to conform totally to society Sex_GrandMaster yes morsel SBs_tender.morsel i am in the process Sensei of trying to "unlearn" 15 years of "ya honey" and learn to put Yes Sire in it's place although i want to use the Title that pleases Him the former response had become so ingrained and automatic that it is hard to switch simply from the desire to do so in that sense training is very much needed Sensei sweet_lilone raises her hand SBs_tender.morsel i am in the process of unlearning 15 years of "ya honey" Sensei although i desire to use the title that pleases Him the automatic response is so ingrained SBs_tender.morsel that training is very much needed to relearn a different response SBs_tender.morsel and replace it with Yes Sire Sex_GrandMaster nods to morsel Sex_GrandMaster yes lil? sweet_lilone but if W/we are trained from childhood to conform totally to society, then why do W/we have the Constitution, why not just take away all O/our freedoms and say this is how its going to be sweet_lilone follow it or else Sex_GrandMaster because that then becomes a dictatorship, however I don't see the connection with our subject here lil sweet_lilone the connection Sensei is the Dom/sub thing......society doesn't see it as right and Y/you should be able to be W/who Y/you are Sex_GrandMaster primarily I am addressing a narrow scope of morals and responses Sex_GrandMaster and that also goes the same for Gay and Lesbian lil vegasvixen raises her hand sweet_lilone is going to shut up now and listen before her mouth goes into overdrive and gets her in trouble Sex_GrandMaster yes vixen Sex_GrandMaster smiles to lil vegasvixen lil...Sensei is i believe referring to the subconscious training that goes on in every culture ...it is habit learned from interacting with society sweet_lilone smiles back Sex_GrandMaster exactly vixen, thank you sweet_lilone raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster it becomes automatic responses, these are the things you have to be Untrained with Sex_GrandMaster you have to begin thinking again about what you are going to say or do before you do or say it Sex_GrandMaster lil? sweet_lilone vixen.....yes i understand where He is coming from, but as Y/you grow what Y/you are taught and what Y/you think is morally right can differ from A/another Sex_GrandMaster and it can differ with your own internal desires as well lil vegasvixen smiles in agreement sweet_lilone i agree Sensei Sex_GrandMaster many hide their desires and lusts because it is not what they were taught, they think they are wrong SBs_tender.morsel raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster morsel? SBs_tender.morsel i hid who i was from Sire for 15 years Sensei for that very reason and nearly lost everything because of it LAs_brat raises his hand SBs_tender.morsel because society taught me it was wrong Sex_GrandMaster that is very common morsel Sex_GrandMaster yes brat LAs_brat my parents have lived the lifestyle for many years and i have grown up in that type of environment Sex_GrandMaster you are extremely lucky brat *S* SBs_tender.morsel . o O ( cool ) LAs_brat but my Father is a Dominant and for many years i have tried to follow his example Sex_GrandMaster nods and smiles Sex_GrandMaster because males aren't supposed to be submissive right? LAs_brat however, it has been a nightmare for me because all of that time i have suppressed the fact that i am submissive LAs_brat that's is right Sensei Sex_GrandMaster actually it isn't right LOL LAs_brat it has taken a conscious decision after the failure of my marriage Sex_GrandMaster nods LAs_brat to be myself and to seek out like minded ppl whom i can share this with 55Chevy {leaves} Sex_GrandMaster in other words you have been untraining yourself to an extent LAs_brat yes Sensei LAs_brat it is not easy, but to find any happiness i must do it Sex_GrandMaster which might not have been possible if you weren't raised in the lifestyle LAs_brat i think that it has given me a slight advantage Sex_GrandMaster submission has no gender, nor does Dominance LAs_brat it has taken me a long time to realize that Sex_GrandMaster I'm impressed and I applaud you brat Sex_GrandMaster smiles LAs_brat but yes Sensei You are right SGMs_annie smiles too vegasvixen applauds brat too sweet_lilone smiles to brat LAs_brat blushes Sex_GrandMaster now the procedure of Untraining and retraining can be made a lot easier if you put as much conscious effort into it as possible Sex_GrandMaster sit down and think about the automatic responses you make that are not acceptable SBs_tender.morsel shifts uneasy in her seat Sex_GrandMaster think about why you make those responses and listen for clues they are coming up sweet_lilone . o O ( opening your mouth before you think ) Sex_GrandMaster then make an effort to give the response that your Dominant wants Sex_GrandMaster it will be easier on both of you *S* Sex_GrandMaster now is this personality modification? LAs_brat raises his hand Sex_GrandMaster brat? LAs_brat i think that it is behavior modification....not personality modification Sex_GrandMaster bingo Sex_GrandMaster smiles LAs_brat one can retains ones personality....its the behavior that needs to change Sex_GrandMaster you must remember that your Dom/me picked you in part for your personality beauty {leaves} Sex_GrandMaster They may want to modify some aspects of your behavior but they want you to keep your personality Sex_GrandMaster and in fact you should desire to modify your behavior to 0please them vegasvixen smiles Sex_GrandMaster isn't what you're seeking the control, the nurturing and teaching that They offer you? LAs_brat nods in agreement sweet_lilone nods Sex_GrandMaster isn't pleasing Them a high priority for you? SGMs_annie nodsnodsnods vegasvixen nodsnodsnods2 sweet_lilone nods LAs_brat . o O (the highest priority) Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster so your task is to help them with your Untraining and Training by being willing to put forth your best efforts LAs_brat raises his hand Sex_GrandMaster They on the other hand have the task of figuring out what your needs are and how to go about making those changes Sex_GrandMaster yes brat? LAs_brat Sensei...the challenge as i see it is knowing what the Dom/me expects Sex_GrandMaster No I disagree there brat Sex_GrandMaster the challenge is actually listening to the Dom/me when they tell you what they expect Sex_GrandMaster a good Dom/me will tell you what they want you to do but you have to hear it sweet_lilone raises her hand LAs_brat { i see Sensei.... enlightenment starts to shine forth Sex_GrandMaster yes lil sweet_lilone Sensei...what about the Dom/me listening to the sub and their limits...shouldn't that be respected too SBs_tender.morsel slinks a little further down in her seat sweet_lilone i mean everyone has some things that they just wont do no matter what Sex_GrandMaster No not respected lil, it is required ...... Sex_GrandMaster The Dom/me is responsible for opening communication at the beginning and discussing your needs versus wants and your present limits Sex_GrandMaster they may push those limits, but it still has to remain consensual sweet_lilone nod to You sweet_lilone nods even LAs_brat raises his hand Sex_GrandMaster further a Dom/me is unable to teach you anything if They don't know what you already know and where you are Sex_GrandMaster you likewise should know where the Dom/me is in their desires for you and if you indeed want to go there Sex_GrandMaster yes brat? LAs_brat i am not sure what You meant when You said "not respected, its required...." LAs_brat do You mean that it is required for the Dom/me to listen to the sub Sex_GrandMaster it's a requirement of a Dom/me to know and respect where Their sub is at all times brat LAs_brat thank you Sensei Sex_GrandMaster to keep the lines of communication open and listen yes sweet_lilone raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster yes lil? LAs_brat {leaves} sweet_lilone i agree with You Sensei, but i have found that there are Dom/mes out there that think that They are the Dom/me and you are the sub and whatever They say goes sweet_lilone it doesn't matter what you think, when They say jump you better jump or else Sex_GrandMaster then stay away from those "Dom/mes" they have a lot to learn yet *S* sweet_lilone oh i do Sir *S* Sex_GrandMaster and yes the Dom/me is always right, but you have the last words sweet_lilone . o O ( yes Sir/Ma'am ) Sex_GrandMaster and those words are yes Sir/Ma'am Sex_GrandMaster smiles SBs_tender.morsel is glad Sire is not like that Sex_GrandMaster however that applies only to your Dom/me not just Anyone sweet_lilone says yes Sir/Ma'am to just about everyone she talks to.......part of her upbringing Sex_GrandMaster and to go back to the lines of communication, it is your responsibility to keep your Dom/me informed of how you feel and where you are, as well as your needs and wants sweet_lilone nods to You Sex_GrandMaster it is Their responsibility to listen and determine what will occur next Sex_GrandMaster next even Sex_GrandMaster ok any comments or questions? sweet_lilone no Sensei Sex_GrandMaster looks around the class SGMs_annie thinks but doesn't have any SBs_tender.morsel wonders how You always pick the one topic i am having trouble with the few times i can make it Sensei vegasvixen raises her hand Sex_GrandMaster yes vixen? sweet_lilone thinks she has talked way too much already.....shifts mouth to low gear and listens vegasvixen Sensei ..would You summarize please? SBs_tender.morsel . o O ( oops that was supposed to be a thought ) vegasvixen isn't sure if she has questions Sex_GrandMaster ok in summary sweet_lilone . o O ( ohhhh mine was too ) Sex_GrandMaster as you have grown up you have been taught automatic responses to situations or comments and requests SBs_tender.morsel listens sweet_lilone listens carefully Sex_GrandMaster these become embedded in your subconscious and just come out without thinking Sex_GrandMaster as you grow older you think less about these responses and in order to overcome them you have to be Untrained Sex_GrandMaster and retrained to respond as your Dom/me wants you to Sex_GrandMaster you must put forth a conscious effort to assist in this effort Sex_GrandMaster . o O ( gratuitous use of the word effort there ) SGMs_annie smiles Sex_GrandMaster further you have to help by keeping your Dom/me informed of the areas you feel you need work in and listen to hear what They want from you Sex_GrandMaster does that about cover it? vegasvixen nods and smiles vegasvixen Thank You Sensei Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster your welcome vixen Sex_GrandMaster any questions now? Sex_GrandMaster looks around SGMs_annie no Maser SGMs_annie no Master even sweet_lilone no Sensei vegasvixen No Sensei SBs_tender.morsel no questions Sensei just an uncomfortable realization Sex_GrandMaster ok class is dismissed, you may stay and discuss if you want vegasvixen has to go Sex_GrandMaster be well vixen SGMs_annie be well vixen *s* sweet_lilone Thank You Sir for a most enjoyable class SBs_tender.morsel be well vixen vegasvixen hugs each of Y/you and wishes Y/you happy Holidays sweet_lilone bye vixen, be well and happy holidays SBs_tender.morsel . o O ( hit the proverbial nail on the head yet again ) SBs_tender.morsel sighs vegasvixen be well my F/friends Sex_GrandMaster Happy Holidays to you vixen vegasvixen {leaves} sweet_lilone you ok sis? Sex_GrandMaster apply follow annie SGMs_annie yes Master *s* SBs_tender.morsel ya i'm ok just see now i have not been doing what i need to be doing to help Him change what needs changed SBs_tender.morsel that bothers me sweet_lilone ahhh i see SGMs_annie be well morsel, lilone SBs_tender.morsel be well SGM Sir annie Sex_GrandMaster all part of learning and why classes are needed morsel *S* sweet_lilone be well Sir and annie *hugs Y/you* happy holidays to Y/you SBs_tender.morsel yes Sir and thank You SBs_tender.morsel i know what i need to do SGMs_annie thank you *s* happy holidays to you too Sex_GrandMaster Be well lil and Happy Holidays to you also Sex_GrandMaster waves and strolls back to the Hall sweet_lilone gives Y/you both an Xmas smooch and heads to the Hall