Pain (Part 1) 12-30-00 Sex_GrandMaster well I really didn't have a set topic for today, so I will entertain a suggestion from the class SGMs_annie thinks sweet_lilone hmmm Sex_GrandMaster looks out at the class GEs_sapphire raises hand LAs_brat ponders Sex_GrandMaster sapphire? GEs_sapphire how about a discussion regarding the need for pain....why we as submissives sometimes feel a genuine "need" to feel pain....oh that sounds silly....scratch that SGMs_annie wonders why we do *s* SNHs_tender.morsel didn't think it was silly Sex_GrandMaster well that is a good suggestion *S* vegasvixen doesn't think that's silly sweet_lilone doesn't either GEs_sapphire *blushes* SGMs_annie actually wonders it quite often SNHs_tender.morsel does too Sex_GrandMaster looks like it's popular sapphire GEs_sapphire lol SGMs_annie grins and hugs sapphire Sex_GrandMaster chuckles vegasvixen raises her hand GEs_sapphire hugs annie Sex_GrandMaster and I'm sure it could be reversed and a discussion for Dom/mes on why do We need to give pain *S* Sex_GrandMaster yes vixen? GEs_sapphire nods... SNHs_tender.morsel wondered that too vegasvixen i am curious too ..why is the pain better once excited or aroused? endorphins? GEs_sapphire raises hand Sex_GrandMaster that is a very big part of it vixen, yes sapphire? Sex_GrandMaster don't make it too long sapphire SGMs_annie . o O ( not too much or you will get line too long ) GEs_sapphire one time.....GE Ma'am and i did not scene in that sense...but Ma'am flogged me and paddled me.....that was the end of it....of course there was after care....but i felt as if Ma'am got nothing from the experience....i had a difficult time dealing with it....and didn't discuss it with Ma'am until the next day...it seems already knew how i was feeling....i still don't understand the Dommes need.....and i want to GEs_sapphire (Line Too Long!) GEs_sapphire damn LAs_brat giggles SNHs_tender.morsel chuckles too late Sex_GrandMaster smiles SGMs_annie giggles sweet_lilone giggles GEs_sapphire one time....GE Ma'am and i did not do a scene...but i was flogged...and paddled............ Sex_GrandMaster nods GEs_sapphire there was after care...but that is all.....i felt as if Ma'am received nothing from the scene.....and i had a hard time dealing with that.... GEs_sapphire i did not discuss it with Ma'am until the next day....it seems Ma'am already knew what i was feeling.... Sex_GrandMaster ok I'll cover that part of it also *S* Sex_GrandMaster did She explain what She got from it to you sapphire? vegasvixen listens carefully GEs_sapphire SGM....sort of Sir...Ma'am tried....but i still walked away feeling as if i was the only one who received any pleasure from it Sex_GrandMaster smiles Sex_GrandMaster ok let's start with pain and what it is GEs_sapphire listens closely sweet_lilone listens SGMs_annie listens Sex_GrandMaster initially pain is stimulation of nerve cells or endings if you wish to call them that Sex_GrandMaster the information is sent to the brain as a warning or protection for your body GEs_sapphire raises hand..... Sex_GrandMaster in other words if you burn your finger for example, your brain is notified that there is an uncomfortable feeling in that location Sex_GrandMaster you check to see what is causing it and prevent further damage Sex_GrandMaster sapphire? GEs_sapphire how is it then....that we can attain sub space...shut out the pain....receive only pleasure Sex_GrandMaster ahhhhhh that process is coming up sapphire Sex_GrandMaster smiles GEs_sapphire blushes.....yes Sensei Sex_GrandMaster now a severe sudden pain causes you to react in a protective manner, in order to minimize bodily damage Sex_GrandMaster severe rather Sex_GrandMaster of We Dom/mes know that and One who has learned how to do it correctly, starts you out with light stimuli Sex_GrandMaster soft smacks or light stinging ones Sex_GrandMaster this stimulates the nerves but doesn't overload them Sex_GrandMaster as Sex_GrandMaster your natural endorphins start to generate, you are able to stand more pain Sex_GrandMaster natural endorphins are like a dope stimulant, they subdue the pain and with enough cause you to be high GEs_sapphire nods.....understanding Sex_GrandMaster at some point you begin to associate the pain with the high of the endorphins Sex_GrandMaster an example of how endorphins work is in running Sex_GrandMaster endorphins are initiated by many physical activities Sex_GrandMaster if a runner continues to run after the endorphins are kicking in they can endure long periods of activity and pain Sex_GrandMaster now that explains the basic process, but why do you want to experience this the first time? Sex_GrandMaster any ideas? GEs_sapphire raises hand sweet_lilone raises her hand SNHs_tender.morsel sees the lag monster again vegasvixen listens Sensei was booted and could not return SGMs_annie Master's DSL went down and He will doesn't know when He will be back sweet_lilone nods LAs_brat slips quietly out of the class....to the call of r/l.......waves bye to A/all SGMs_annie He says talk amongst yourselves LAs_brat {leaves} sweet_lilone bye brat sweet_lilone ooops, too late SNHs_tender.morsel hank you annie SGMs_annie giggles SNHs_tender.morsel thank you too sweet_lilone thank you annie vegasvixen who was first ? SGMs_annie your welcome *s* SNHs_tender.morsel sapphire was GEs_sapphire well for me....its more emotional than physical...i believe.... vegasvixen your motivation to submit? SNHs_tender.morsel i think so too sapphire GEs_sapphire no.....the need for pain......well that too vixen vegasvixen ilone? GEs_sapphire vixen.....as far as submitting goes....its who i am.....i have always been one who needs to please....and who needs to feel the inner pride from doing so... GEs_sapphire oops....sorry sweet_lilone well personally i hate pain, i have a very low threshold, but i will accept it as punishment if need be vegasvixen nods GEs_sapphire raises hand SNHs_tender.morsel are we still raising our hands sweet_lilone i don't think so SNHs_tender.morsel i don't want to talk out of turn vegasvixen i myself was drawn to painful experiences thru sexual desire Sex_GrandMaster {leaves} GEs_sapphire lilone....when GE Ma'am punishes me....pain is the last thing She comes up with....because Ma'am knows how i enjoy it.... sweet_lilone nods to sapphire vegasvixen morsel ? GEs_sapphire vixen......what do you mean..... SNHs_tender.morsel any other form of pain i don't like but if given by Him i think it's the sheer act of submitting giving Another that type of control over me vegasvixen nods sweet_lilone nods SNHs_tender.morsel i think that's what i need vegasvixen what i meant was that out of a need to be sexually dominated i first experienced pain as a pleasurable thing SNHs_tender.morsel that and being utterly taken by Him both have a similar effect on me vegasvixen then as SGM was saying ..i learned to like it more as i began to associate it with the high of the endorphins GEs_sapphire ah!..now i get it.... GEs_sapphire vixen.....yes.....when GE Ma'am and i scene.....i always walk away wanting more.... vegasvixen annie > why did you first want to experience this kind of pain ? SNHs_tender.morsel i have never achieved sub space though maybe someday SGMs_annie i have had the bondage, whipping fantasies as a child SGMs_annie but when i was first going to meet Master i was a little afraid SGMs_annie what if i cried when He spanked me vegasvixen and? SGMs_annie i would be embarrassed about the tears *s* SGMs_annie and He didn't know, said W/we would have to learn about each O/other GEs_sapphire annie.....i have asked GE Ma'am.....to please bring me to tears.....it has not happened yet SGMs_annie holy cow! no tears...but He knew what He was doing SGMs_annie light at first then harder, my bottom lifting to meet His hand vegasvixen . o O ( Yes He does ) SNHs_tender.morsel i catch my body doing that a lot now annie SGMs_annie why do you seek tears sapphire? GEs_sapphire annie.....i don't know.....it seems that when Ma'am flogs me....or paddles me....or spanks me....its never enough.....i guess that's why Ma'am always calls me Her pain slut SNHs_tender.morsel i sometimes need tears though i think it's my own need to be inwardly absolved of any wrongdoing and it heightens my submissive feelings in a major way SGMs_annie i find after i cum, the pain is more intense vegasvixen maybe sapphire has a high endorphin tolerance sweet_lilone just wants to master pleasing One without pain but her smart mouth gets in the way of that...but i have been told that deep down inside that's why i do it so i will get punished GEs_sapphire after its over......i absolutely have to have GE Ma'am hold me tight.... SNHs_tender.morsel that could very well be lilone i thought i didn't like it either GEs_sapphire lilone...GE Ma'am trained me.....if i want discipline....i ask.....if i act up to get it....i surely wont be rewarded with it SNHs_tender.morsel till i realized i was instigating just to get it vegasvixen morsel > that is called topping from the bottom GEs_sapphire agrees with vixen SNHs_tender.morsel i know that now vixen but at the time i didn't even know that's what i was doing vegasvixen of course you didn't morsel GEs_sapphire tender morsel....when a sub feels ignored.....it can happen.....even subconsciously SGMs_annie have you ever been to subspace? SNHs_tender.morsel me annie? vegasvixen is natural to manipulate to get others to respond the way you want sweet_lilone hasn't GEs_sapphire oh yes.....its strange.....all of my surroundings no longer exist....only GE Ma'am....and GE Ma'am's voice....seems to echo in my ear.... SGMs_annie anyone *s* SNHs_tender.morsel vixen at the time i hadn't even realized i liked being spanked i just knew i seemed to stay in trouble for some reason SNHs_tender.morsel i haven't annie i hope to someday sweet_lilone hasn't achieved that annie.......yet *s* vegasvixen nods GEs_sapphire tender morsel......that's growth.....as we learn more about this lifestyle.....we learn how wrong that is.... SGMs_annie i thought i was once, on-line but since it hasn't happened r/l i think now maybe i wasn't through it was strange and i had no idea where i was vegasvixen blushes GEs_sapphire annie......i have been to sup space in cyber with Ma'am....when we have done certain scenes GEs_sapphire turns to vixen...... SNHs_tender.morsel once i realized that was why i told Him now i get it enough for pleasure that the misbehavior cycle stopped vegasvixen yes morsel *s* vegasvixen smiles@sapphire SNHs_tender.morsel and it was here that made me see it GEs_sapphire smiles eagerly back at vixen SNHs_tender.morsel smiles thanx guys GEs_sapphire vixen.....i'm so glad we have this forum....for just this